True believers in Jesus don’t need a “secondary plan” for salvation and eternal life. They need to follow the actions of Jesus Christ, according to Pastor Greg Lee of Suncrest Christian Church in St. John.

“Followers of Jesus - church people - tend to forget that following Jesus is the way to get to heaven. But they’ve somehow constructed a different way in their mind by beating people into it, or convincing people about it, or telling people they’re wrong," Lee says.

On this week’s show, Lee joins us in the studio to examine the gospel about Jesus Christ and why too many Christians don’t act Christ-like in their daily lives. 

“If you look at who Jesus had his harshest words for, it was for religious people who were harsh to people who were on the margins,” Lee tells Jerry, who's been on the margins of spirituality for decades.

We hope you join us for a candid conversation - not a sermon - about faith, redemption, conviction and forgiveness. Also, how to demonstrate grace and mercy with a species that instinctively seeks justice.

About the show

“She Said, He Said" with co-hosts Jerry Davich and Karen Davich unpacks all the baggage about relationships, couples and issues between the sexes (and the ex’s). “Because there’s a lot to unpack,” Karen says.

The dangers of online dating. The fun of flirting. Blended families. Difficult in-laws. Connecting after arguments. First kisses and final divorces. You name it, they’ll unpack it on “She Said, He Said.” 

All episodes are now available for viewing at NWI.com or to listen on your favorite platforms such as Apple, Spotify, Google and Audacy. Subscribe to not miss any new episodes.

The couple's podcast is sponsored by Times Media Co. and Lee Enterprises. It's recorded each week at CreataSpacePlace studios in Hobart, Indiana, with local guests in the studio and timeless topics on the table.

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Episode 21: Political differences are sparking emotional fireworks year round in every sector of our society. Civility is becoming a lost consideration. Conversation is a lost art.

Coming to a mutual understanding is too much work for us. Our humanity is slipping away. Especially on social media, which has gone from a constructive sounding board to a destructive whipping post. Our emotional wicks are short and explosive. 

On this week's show, we share a personal story that went sideways fast. So much so that Karen thought she would need bail money for Jerry after he got into a hostile altercation with a drunken military veteran at a public event.

Also on this episode, a controversial observation about America the (not so) beautiful. Although we’ve been taught that the United States is an utterly unique triumph of freedom, democracy, goodness and decency, this is not the whole truth about our country.

About the show

“She Said, He Said" with co-hosts Jerry Davich and Karen Davich unpacks all the baggage about relationships, couples and issues between the sexes (and the ex’s). “Because there’s a lot to unpack,” Karen says.

The dangers of online dating. The fun of flirting. Blended families. Difficult in-laws. Connecting after arguments. First kisses and final divorces. You name it, they’ll unpack it on “She Said, He Said.” 

All episodes are now available for viewing at NWI.com or to listen on your favorite platforms such as Apple, Spotify, Google and Audacy. Subscribe to not miss any new episodes.

The couple's podcast is sponsored by Times Media Co. and Lee Enterprises. It's recorded each week at CreataSpacePlace studios in Hobart, Indiana, with local guests in the studio and timeless topics on the table.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode 20: Some dates for couples need to be fertilized with an openness to try something new together instead of your garden-variety ideas.

Jerry and Karen stumbled onto such a date thanks to thousands of Grateful Dead fans, the sweet aroma of pot in the air, chance encounters with strangers, a surprising gesture from a Chicago cop, and the new critically-acclaimed movie, "Past Lives" at Alamo Drafthouse Cinema in Wrigleyville.

"And to think we initially didn't even want to leave Valparaiso," Jerry joked.

Also on this week's show, Karen mourns the loss of her beloved 2005 Tucson, which crossed the Rusted Bridge to the big junkyard in the sky. And Jerry rants about lazy motorists who drive around parking lots to get a better spot. Seriously? Come on! 

Watch our podcast at NWI.com or listen to it where you enjoy other podcasts including Spotify, Apple, Google and Audacy.

“She Said, He Said” is sponsored by Times Media Co. and Lee Enterprises. Our show is recorded each week at CreataSpacePlace studios in Hobart, Indiana.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.