Blaming “humanity” for climate collapse feels intuitive, but it hides the real drivers. We sit down with Prof. Joerg Rieger to unpack why Anthropocene flattens responsibility and how Capitalocene offers a sharper, more useful map—one that follows power, money, and relationships across extraction, production, and belief. From oil fields to boardrooms to pews, we trace how decisions at the top cascade into carbon, culture, and daily life.

We start with the familiar story: humans shape the planet. Then we pull the thread—who, exactly, is shaping what? Joerg walks us through the links between petroleum, minerals, finance, and law, showing how extraction and exploitation move together. We interrogate terms like Eurocene and Petrocene, and explain why focusing on identities or single resources misses the system organizing them. Along the way, we tackle a live debate in geology about timescales, arguing that the rapid acceleration of capital-driven warming justifies a vocabulary that centers agency where it operates.

The conversation turns to theology and culture, where modern metaphors drift from kings to CEOs. If God begins to mirror a chief executive bound to shareholder value, what happens to care for the common good? Jorg offers a theologically grounded critique and points to alternative traditions—jubilee, stewardship, solidarity—that resist extractive defaults. We also explore AI’s near future: not a savior or a curse, but a force that will amplify whatever incentives it serves. Under current structures, it risks deepening inequality and environmental strain; under new governance and ownership, it can help build resilience.

By the end, we trade guilt for clarity. Instead of shaming consumers, we focus on production standards, energy systems, ownership, and policy that shift outcomes at scale. If you’re ready to move past vague blame toward concrete levers for change—across climate, economy, and faith—this conversation maps the terrain and points to the work ahead. Subscribe, share with a friend who loves big ideas, and leave a review with one system you think we should unpack next.

About Religion and Justice
Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners.

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George and I took a break this holiday season and gave the mic to another organization doing great work: BTS Center's Climate Changed

Climate Changed is The BTS Center’s podcast. Well-crafted, warm, and invitational, Climate Changed explores some of the most pressing questions about faith, life, and climate change.

The hosts of Climate Changed explores honest climate grief, then move toward the work that remains: creating small, connected refuges of courage, kindness, and action. Meg Wheatley’s “islands of sanity” meets Debra Rienstra’s “refugia” to offer practical steps for leaders, neighbors, and faith communities.

• naming the limits of large-scale change
• choosing contribution without attachment to outcomes
• asking what’s needed here and am I the one
• building islands of sanity through dialogue and shared work
• refugia as ecological metaphor for local resilience
• balancing mitigation, adaptation, doom, and hopium
• reconnecting theology, hope, and climate action
• practical next steps for small congregations
• linking local projects across boundaries for strength
• learning from communities long practiced in survival

We would love to hear your thoughts and responses to our conversation. We would also welcome any suggestions you have for this show.

Feel free to email Climate Changed at podcast@theBTScenter.org. Learn about the many resources we share in our regular online programs by visiting theBTScenter.org.

The BTS Center offers theologically grounded programs of spiritual and vocational formation — workshops and retreats, learning communities, book studies, spiritual accompaniment circles, public conversations and rituals, and projects of applied research — all with an intention to cultivate and nurture spiritual leadership for a climate-changed world. The BTS Center believes there is a divine urgency, a sacred calling, to this work, and we invite you to join us.

About Religion and Justice
Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners.

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In this episode, pastoral theologian and psychotherapist Dr. Bruce Rogers-Vaughn—pastoral theologian, clinician, and author of Caring for Souls in a Neoliberal Age—exposes how today’s mental-health system locates suffering in individual pathology while ignoring the social and economic forces producing widespread distress.

He explains how research funding, psychotherapy models, and the biomedical frame all shift attention away from the societal roots of depression, anxiety, and addiction. Instead of understanding suffering as a meaningful response to harmful conditions, the neoliberal model blames the individual and demands “resilience” and compliance.

This conversation doesn’t stop at critique. Bruce reframes depression as a meaningful signal, not a malfunction; argues for therapy as deep transformation instead of symptom deletion; and offers a concrete starting point for care that resists adaptation: make friends, build comradeship, recover solidarity. We connect the dots between research policy since 1980, the rise of resilience talk and positive psychology, and why mindfulness without tradition can become just another corporate tool.

Key Points

• The biomedical model serves neoliberalism by hiding systemic causes of suffering.
  “It’s a way neoliberalism covers its own ass… so nobody can trace back their suffering to the system.”
• Research funding was redirected in the 1980s to brain-based explanations, shutting down community-level studies.
• Modern therapy focuses on symptom removal, not transformation.
  “Psychotherapy today has become a sophisticated exercise in blaming the victim.”
• Competitive individualism isolates people, fragments identity, and undermines community life.
• Rising mental-health treatment and worsening mental-health outcomes reflect a disconnect between what’s treated and what’s causing harm.
• Debt, workplace performativity, and isolation create what Rogers-Vaughn calls “third-order suffering”—distress whose source is invisible but pervasive.

Dr. Bruce Rogers-Vaughn is a pastoral theologian, licensed psychotherapist, and longtime faculty member at Vanderbilt Divinity School. With four decades of clinical experience, he is known for his groundbreaking book Caring for Souls in a Neoliberal Age, which critiques how contemporary mental-health systems adapt individuals to unjust social conditions. His work brings together psychoanalysis, political economy, and pastoral care to reveal the deep links between suffering and the structures of neoliberal capitalism.

About Religion and Justice
Religion and Justice is a podcast from the Wendland-Cook Program in Religion and Justice at Vanderbilt Divinity School. We explore the intersections of class, religion, labor, and ecology, uncovering how these forces shape the work of justice and solidarity. Each episode offers space for investigation, education, and organizing through conversations with scholars, organizers, and practitioners.

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