Aaron Hall joins Pete and Devin to close out April, and this conversation goes everywhere. We dig into what makes The Legend of Uh work and hint, it's not just the jokes! We also talk about how a personal pizza video accidentally launched a social media explosion, why parody fantasy fails when it's all gag and no emotional core, and whether Aaron's next project should be a sci-fi parody or a grimdark political epic fantasy.

He also teases a caveman cookbook that somehow has a fantasy adventure threaded through it, drops some thoughts on Brandon Sanderson's underground lair, and talks about what it actually feels like to go from nobody to getting recognized at a bookstore.

The Second Legend of U is available for preorder and released on 4/27! Check out everything from Aaron at https://aaronnhall.com/ !

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Chapters:
(00:00) - Intro and reflections on April’s achievements
(01:19) - Aaron’s praise for indie author community and "The Legend of" series
(02:37) - Discussing "The Legend of Up" and its humor
(04:07) - Brandon Sanderson’s prolific writing and book size
(04:58) - Brandon’s resources and underground home tour
(05:37) - The wealth of successful authors and their real lives
(06:48) - Indie marketing challenges and successes
(08:10) - Building an author brand with social content
(10:44) - The balancing act of parody and meaningful storytelling
(12:19) - Flipping stereotypes for emotional depth
(13:55) - The unexpected popularity of side characters
(15:47) - Impactful character moments and connection with readers
(16:32) - Making audiobooks available for free on YouTube
(17:43) - The reasoning behind YouTube audiobook strategy
(19:03) - Challenges with Spotify and other platforms
(21:07) - The importance of quick editing for social media
(32:28) - Insights into attention span and short-form content
(33:17) - The value of rapid shifts in social videos
(34:37) - Content planning and engagement strategies
(39:31) - Future projects including sci-fi, prequels, and series ideas
(44:39) - Debating themes of lighthearted versus grimdark stories
(45:49) - Creating a trilogy structure with thematic covers
(47:03) - The rise of especially popular genres like sci-fi and romance
(50:18) - Challenges in genre switching and audience expectations
(52:21) - Parodies in romance and sci-fi with humorous concepts
(66:31) - Viral videos: the power of one hit to transform an author’s following
(67:23) - The thrill and humbling reality of reader recognition
(68:04) - Connecting authentically with fans and meeting influential authors
(69:03) - Final thoughts and the excitement of future projects


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Audrey DeBoer has been living with this story since she was a teenager. What started as a school assignment became Vispilio, a Robin Hood reimagining that reads less like a fairy tale and more like Game of Thrones with a bow and arrow. Lost princes, political betrayal, morally complicated characters who never act like you'd expect. This is the kind of indie book that makes you wonder how it doesn't have a hundred thousand readers yet.

In this episode, Devin and Pete sit down with Audrey to talk about what it actually takes to carry a story for over a decade and finally put it in the world. The craft decisions, the indie publishing reality, and what's coming next. Militis, book two in the series, is on the horizon, and Audrey gives us a look at where Southborn goes from here.

If you've been sleeping on Vispilio, this is your sign to go pick this up!

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Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction and episode overview

02:40 - Elevator pitch for "Vespiglio" and its thematic influences

03:43 - Robin Hood reimagining and political intrigue

04:54 - The importance of marketing and audiobooks in indie publishing

06:36 - Building complex characters and balancing narration perspectives

11:03 - Overcoming unexpected obstacles of indie publishing

13:28 - The power of community and IndieBookstagram for promotion

16:20 - Local events and creative marketing ideas

17:30 - The significance of audiobooks and distribution channels

21:12 - How character motivations and backgrounds shape storytelling

22:13 - Incorporating subtle twists and maintaining freshness in Robin Hood reinterpretations

26:04 - Character analysis: Morally gray and morally complex figures

27:24 - Exploring themes of destiny, trauma, and war through main characters

33:15 - The role of themes and editor input in character development

37:23 - Adelaide's role as a strategic, impactful secondary character

41:08 - The choice of using amnesia as a plot device and inspirations from history

43:39 - Effectiveness of dream sequences and visceral worldbuilding

46:23 - Multiple POV storytelling and balancing action with introspection

50:02 - Crafting compelling villains with depth, specifically Tanner

53:22 - Sneak peek into "Miletus" and future series plans

57:18 - Series scope: trilogy or beyond and world expansion

58:51 - Final thoughts, connecting with Audrey, and upcoming releases

59:41 - Closing remarks and appreciation for listeners

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Miles Lyon wrote his debut novel The Price of Fear without a roadmap, while he somehow landed a Jeff Brown cover along the way. We talk about what it actually takes to get a book finished, why editors matter more than most new authors want to admit, how luck fits into the indie publishing equation, and what Miles has coming next.

If you've ever thought about writing a book or you're deep in a debut and wondering if you're doing it right, you're gonna wanna check this out!

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Chapters

• 00:00 Introduction and Podcast Format
• 05:29 Cover Art and Design
• 16:31 Influences on the Book
• 21:42 The Impact of Timing and Book Releases
• 30:37 Balancing World-Building and Character Focus
• 37:43 The Process of Writing First Drafts
• 47:47 The Magic System
• 55:10 The Journey to Traditional Publishing