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Episode 179:
In this episode, we speak with musician, guide, and rhythm keeper Penn Johnson about his journey with psychedelics and the role of music in ceremony and integration. We explore how his experiences with peyote inspired him to help others reconnect with their inner rhythm, creativity, and sense of purpose. Together, we discuss the importance of bringing ceremonial insights into everyday life, breaking inherited patterns, and finding stillness through connection with nature. We also reflect on authenticity, presence, and discernment when choosing facilitators in the psychedelic space. Penn shares a live musical performance and offers a glimpse into his immersive retreats in Hawaii, inviting us to explore vulnerability, honour our unique gifts, and express ourselves more freely.

About Penn:
Penn Johnson is a songwriter, storyteller, and nomadic guide who combines live music, somatic conversation, and time in nature to help people reconnect with themselves. His work draws on more than a decade of travel and learning across Hawaii, Costa Rica, India, Nepal, and beyond. Through private immersions, he supports founders, leaders, and people carrying the pressures of everyday life, encouraging them to slow down, reconnect with their bodies, and rediscover their natural rhythm.

Connect with Penn:
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pennjohnsonofficial
- Website: https://www.pennjohnson.net
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pennjohnson
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/pennjohnson
- TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@pennjohnson
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pennjohnsonmusic
- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/3hlYATiXNSaQxVpkMwncjW
- Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/penn-johnson/1436878897

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Psychedelic Conversations Podcast is designed to educate, inform, and expand awareness.

For more information, please head over to https://www.psychedelicconversations.com

Please share with your friends or leave a review so that we can reach more people and feel free to join us in our private Facebook group to keep the conversation going. https://www.facebook.com/groups/psychedelicconversations

This show is for information purposes only,
and is not intended to provide mental health or medical advice.

About Susan Guner:
Susan Guner is a holistic psychotherapist with a mindfulness-based approach grounded in Transpersonal Psychology, focusing on trauma-informed, community-centric processes that offer a broader understanding of human potential and well-being.

Connect with Susan:
Website: https://www.psychedelicconversations.com/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/susan.guner
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-guner/
Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/susanguner
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/susanguner
Blog: https://susanguner.medium.com/
Podcast: https://anchor.fm/susan-guner

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Episode 178:
In this episode, we speak with Hein Pijnnaken and Jennifer Rotermund from the Microdosing Institute about microdosing, responsible facilitation, and the power of community. We explore the personal experiences that brought them to this work and their commitment to supporting others. We discuss their eight-month Microdosing Facilitator Program, including personal development, live learning, and hands-on practicums that prepare participants to guide others. Our conversation also explores scientific research, Indigenous wisdom, harm reduction, and the importance of integration. We reflect on why facilitators need to do their own inner work and how small, connected communities encourage trust and peer accountability. Together, we consider microdosing as one part of a broader process of growth, supported by meaningful relationships and ongoing guidance.

The Microdosing Institute:
- https://microdosinginstitute.com/

About Hein:
Hein Pijnnaken is a Transformational Coach, NLP Master (advanced), and microdosing educator & coach. While growing up in the Netherlands—one of the most psychedelic-friendly countries in the world—I became familiar with psychedelics when I was 17 years old. I have been intrigued by the potential healing power of psychedelics, and have used them as transformative tools ever since. Today, he has over 30 years of experience guiding psychedelic sessions and has immersed himself—both theoretically and practically —in the topic of microdosing since 2016. He strongly believes microdosing is an incredible tool for self-development, especially in combination with effective coaching.

About Jennifer:
Jennifer Rotermund, is the Lead Facilitator at the Microdosing Institute, out of the Netherlands. She is a Psychedelic Integration Coach, a Cannabis Health & Wellness Coach and a Microdosing Educator. She is also a Sacred Ceremonialist, who has been initiated in both a Lakota ceremonial path, as well as in her ancestral Northern European Pagan path. For the last decade, she has supported others in their safe exploration of psychedelics through her private practice. And, last year, she launched - with a team of facilitators - an Earth-focused Psychedelic Spiritual Center, called Psychrament. You can find her at: https://www.psychrament.com/

Connect with Hein:
- LinkedIn: https://nl.linkedin.com/in/hein-pijnnaken-73b479208

Connect with Jennifer:
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-rotermund-7b541025
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gaiaceousgardens/

Thank you so much for joining us!

Psychedelic Conversations Podcast is designed to educate, inform, and expand awareness.

For more information, please head over to https://www.psychedelicconversations.com

Please share with your friends or leave a review so that we can reach more people and feel free to join us in our private Facebook group to keep the conversation going. https://www.facebook.com/groups/psychedelicconversations

This show is for information purposes only,
and is not intended to provide mental health or medical advice.

About Susan Guner:
Susan Guner is a holistic psychotherapist with a mindfulness-based approach grounded in Transpersonal Psychology, focusing on trauma-informed, community-centric processes that offer a broader understanding of human potential and well-being.

Connect with Susan:
Website: https://www.psychedelicconversations.com/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/susan.guner
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-guner/
Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/susanguner
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/susanguner
Blog: https://susanguner.medium.com/
Podcast: https://anchor.fm/susan-guner

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Episode 177:
In this episode, we speak with returning guest David Drapkin about the evolving relationship between psychedelics, mental health, and artificial intelligence. David shares how his background in social work, psychotherapy, addiction treatment, and psychedelic education now informs his work designing AI conversations for wellness support. We explore AI’s potential as a therapeutic co-pilot, alongside vital questions about consent, privacy, regulation, and the irreplaceable value of human presence. We also discuss the shadow side of the psychedelic field, practitioner accountability, medicalisation, safe access, and the need for transparent standards and peer support. David reflects on low-dose approaches, inner healing intelligence, and the importance of moving slowly when someone is psychologically destabilised. Together, we consider why lasting healing requires community, careful preparation, and a reliable “landing container” for integration.

Watch our previous conversation here:
https://youtu.be/ePWwr_iaNWk?si=b9SXIf3ZlXR9rkI0

About David:
David Drapkin is a psychotherapist trained in England, Australia, and the United States, with 12 years of clinical experience. He specialises in addiction, depression, anxiety, trauma, men’s health, OCD, PTSD, and psychedelic- and cannabis-assisted therapy. Drawing from psychodynamic therapy, CBT, psychoanalysis, Internal Family Systems, somatic-informed practices, and mindfulness, David takes a humanistic, strengths-based approach that honours each client’s complexity and innate capacity for healing. His work helps people look beyond diagnostic labels, identify the deeper roots of unhealthy patterns, and reconnect with their values, intuition, and authentic selves. By encouraging curiosity, mindful self-awareness, emotional honesty, and a willingness to embrace change, David supports clients in developing the insight, skills, and resolve needed to create meaningful and lasting transformation.

Connect with David:

- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/daviddrapkin/
- Website: https://www.davedrapkin.com/

Thank you so much for joining us!

Psychedelic Conversations Podcast is designed to educate, inform, and expand awareness.

For more information, please head over to https://www.psychedelicconversations.com

Please share with your friends or leave a review so that we can reach more people and feel free to join us in our private Facebook group to keep the conversation going. https://www.facebook.com/groups/psychedelicconversations

This show is for information purposes only,
and is not intended to provide mental health or medical advice.

About Susan Guner:
Susan Guner is a holistic psychotherapist with a mindfulness-based approach grounded in Transpersonal Psychology, focusing on trauma-informed, community-centric processes that offer a broader understanding of human potential and well-being.

Connect with Susan:
Website: https://www.psychedelicconversations.com/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/susan.guner
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-guner/
Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/susanguner
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/susanguner
Blog: https://susanguner.medium.com/
Podcast: https://anchor.fm/susan-guner

#PsychedelicConversations #SusanGuner #DavidDrapkin