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Pastor Perkins and Pastor Watts are joined by Rev. Cecilia Williams, the President and CEO of the Christian Community Development Association (CCDA) to talk about place-based people-focused community development. Rev. Williams shares her encouragement and disappointment in how the church responded in Minneapolis this summer. They discuss the importance of developing home-grown leaders in the practitioner-based CCDA movement, along with the necessity of engaging systems and structures. Pastor Watts discusses truancy and the schoolyard to prison pipeline as a practical example of a system in need of reform, and the long slow work of making change.

Rev. Williams highlights the CCDA Collective that will take place October 1-3, 2020: The World has Changed, but Our Mission Remains the Same.

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Pastor Perkins and Pastor Watts discuss the removal of the Mississippi state flag and statues as well as renaming schools. Pastor Perkins asks “How do we get from where we are today to where we need to go?” and Pastor Watts argues for the creation of economic justice and equity funds.

They discuss the church's responsibility for the poor; the difference between giving money to poor people and addressing systemic poverty; and the need for voting plus action.

The Pastors ask whether the Church in America is still an essential institution and discuss the need for courage in exercising the prophetic responsibility of the Church.

Ms. Sandra Chappelle joins them toward the end with a reminder of where real change comes from.

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Joe Knittig, CEO of the Global Orphan Project joins Pastor Perkins and Pastor Watts to discuss spiritual fatherlessness as a global malady. They discuss how God has built the church around the world as a global distribution network, which can excel in the care of children and families in crisis. The pastors consider issues of socioeconomic disproportionality and large increases in the need for foster care placement. Joe describes the CarePortal platform, which connects churches with needs in the community while encouraging listeners to search out what God is up to. Finally, the pastors discuss connections between criminal justice reform and child welfare reform as well as long-term systemic issues with the ways in which government attempts to parent children in crisis.

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Pastor Perkins asks Pastor Watts how to move to action with the ideas he presented in his recent address. Pastor Watts explains how to address gaps in what the government is already doing to lift people out of poverty. They discuss the generational shift among African Americans and the ways in which the church has failed to meaningfully engage issues of justice and poverty on the national scene and how this has impacted people’s faith.

The pastors also discuss the idea that many people do not actually care about the poor, and how to hold government officials accountable even when they don’t care.

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