Ever started recording an episode with that voice in your head saying nobody's listening anyway? If you've questioned whether you should quit or caught yourself comparing your downloads to everyone else's highlight reel, this episode is for you.

Your biggest obstacle isn't your content strategy or technical skills. It's your podcast mindset and the patience required to keep showing up when you can't see results yet. I'm sitting down with Rafer Owens Jr., certified mindset coach, to talk about the real work of podcasting, the stuff that happens between episodes when you're questioning everything.

You'll hear why doing hard things is what actually builds patience, how to batch record when you have energy (not when you're exhausted), and what podcast growth looks like when it's not showing up in your dashboard. This is about building momentum that's sustainable, not just chasing vanity metrics.

Check out the full show notes and resources at

https://leahbryantco.com/podcast/podcast-mindset-that-builds-patience

00:00 – The Long Game Nobody Warns You About

02:54 – Shrinking Obstacles Into Hurdles You Can Step Over

04:39 – You Already Have What You Need

06:02 – The Instant Gratification Problem

09:22 – The Comparison Trap That Kills Momentum

16:11 – Legacy Thinking vs. Instant Results

17:35 – Catching Self-Defeating Thoughts Before They Spiral

21:04 – Growth Doesn't Always Look Like Numbers Trending Up

Connect with Rafer Owens Jr

Listen to Shifts & Giggles: https://pod.link/1811055783

Follow Rafer on Instagram: https://instagram.com/raferowensjr

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Staring at your podcast dashboard wondering why those numbers aren't turning into clients? This episode reveals the one metric that shows whether your podcast is converting so you can stop guessing and start booking.

Downloads only tell you who pressed play, not if anyone's thinking about hiring you. I'm sharing the metric I look at first when auditing podcasts: listener action rate. This measures how many people take an intentional next step after your episode. If listeners are moving toward you, your podcast is working. If they're consuming and vanishing, something needs to shift.

You'll hear how one client had solid downloads but zero conversions. We clarified one action and made it unmistakable. Within weeks, she landed her first podcast-sourced client. That's the difference between noise and being a signal.

Book your growth audit! - https://leahbryantco.com/podcast-growth-audit

00:00 – Are Your Podcast Downloads Converting to Clients?

01:06 – Why Podcast Downloads Can Be Wildly Misleading

02:19 – The One Metric That Shows Podcast Conversion: Listener Action Rate

03:57 – How to Track Listener Actions (Even Starting From Zero)

04:55 – Real Example: Good Downloads, Zero Conversions

06:45 – Why This Lives in the Momentum Phase (Podcast Metrics That Matter)

07:24 – Stop Measuring Applause, Start Measuring Behavior

07:53 – Your Action Step: Build Podcast Momentum Today

Check out the full show notes and resources at

https://leahbryantco.com/podcast/convert-podcast-listeners-without-downloads

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Your podcast looks consistent. You're showing up, publishing episodes, doing everything you're supposed to do. But your downloads feel stuck, your leads are nonexistent, and growth feels completely random. Sound familiar?

Here's what's happening: you're reacting to metrics instead of investigating what's blocking your podcast growth strategy. Before I ever worked in podcasting, I investigated fraud. And the number one rule I learned? The loudest clue is rarely the right one.

In this episode, I'm showing you how to read your podcast data like an investigator, the three patterns I see in every stuck podcast, and how one client increased downloads by 61% by clarifying just three things. This is how you stop guessing and start growing.

00:00 – Why Isn't My Podcast Growing? The Investigation Problem

01:01 – What I Learned From Investigating Fraud

03:59 – Strategy Before Everything Else

05:12 – When I Stopped Playing Small

06:30 – The 61% Growth Story

08:20 – What a Podcast Growth Audit Actually Uncovers

Check out the full show notes and resources at

https://leahbryantco.com/podcast/podcast-growth-strategy-downloads-to-leads

📲 Have a question or win to share? Text me! You could hear it on the podcast.

Ready to grow your podcast strategically?

Find out what's blocking your growth. Book a Podcast Growth Audit https://leahbryantco.com/podcast-growth-audit

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This podcast is produced by Leah Bryant Co, where stories meet strategy. - https://leahbryantco.com