In our second conversation with marriage and family therapist Molly LaCroix, she again uses the lens of Internal Family Systems to teach us how to approach our own internal worlds with curiosity and compassion. She discusses her new book, Journey to Shalom, and how reimagining the sacred stories of scripture can help us build a bridge to our own internal world. If you loved our first conversation with Molly, don’t miss it!

Today we talk with Kristyn Komarnicki and Shae Washington of Oriented to Love, a dialogue program of Christians for Social Action. These dialogues are a brave space for Christians of different sexual orientations, gender identities, and theological convictions to pursue unity that is deeper than agreement, and to practice discerning the image of God in someone you disagree with.

Kristyn and Shae teach us how to approach our own “other” with the posture of a learner and embrace the pain and vulnerability that comes with true intimacy and relationship. They help us reframe conflict not as something to be feared or avoided but as an opportunity for maturing in Christ.

In today’s interview, Alice Fryling, one of the most influential voices in modern spiritual direction, shares her story and how she discovered the art of spiritual listening and spiritual direction. She explains that the essence of spiritual direction is listening. And when we listen to people, we love them - and love heals. It is a healing ministry. She describes the mystical experience of direction in which you come alongside another and help them listen carefully to the whispers and direction of God. We hope you enjoy this beautiful conversation about the sacred, gentle, mystical experience of spiritual listening.