In this profoundly empowering episode, Michelle Gines welcomes Deb Krier, a woman who is fundamentally rewriting the playbook on what it means to live with a chronic or life-threatening diagnosis. Deb, who has navigated Stage 4 Triple Positive Breast Cancer since 2015 along with two subsequent cancer diagnoses, shares how she refused to let her disease become the "star of the show."

This conversation moves beyond the medical to the deeply personal and strategic. Deb discusses the importance of being the "empoweree" of your own life and why self-advocacy is the most critical skill any of us can possess. She also touches on her modern approach to business and life, including her balanced view on AI as a tool that supports, but never replaces, human wisdom. From naming her prosthetics to building a "tribe" that includes her doctors as partners rather than bosses, Deb teaches us how to keep life on the schedule—and cancer off of it.

Key Discussion Points

- Building Your Tribe: How to treat physicians and care providers as members of your support team, not the leaders of it. Deb discusses shifting the medical model to one where the person is treated, not just the disease.

- Humor as a Weapon: How a wicked sense of humor and radical honesty can "kill" the despair of a cancer-consuming existence.

- The Mission of Trying Not to Die: Why the goal is to stop being "fine" with the status quo and start energizing our voices to expand our choices.

Are you watching your life from the sidelines? Listen to Deb Krier’s incredible story and learn how to put yourself back in the starring role. It’s time to stop just surviving and start truly living.

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