I hadn't seen my brother Vega since he left Portland in 2025. Finally, The Boys are back! This time on the beach in Hilo, Hawaii. Happy, healthy and riding the communal waves that feed the soul.

On my most recent visit to the island of Oahu I was introduced to Shanti Aum - A medicine woman and founder of Dreamy Earth. In this conversation we embody the lived expression of our Devotional practice. Exploring what is available to us in plain site when we surrender to the mystery. As always, this episode is an invitation to feel into what holds us all together as one humanity.

Alex Lee Schwartz and Deagan Maki are the husband-and-wife co-founders of Blue River Breathwork, located just outside Asheville, NC. I first met Alex earlier this year at Heart of Men: Men’s Prayer for Peace, and a few months later I returned for the Liberate Your Life Force men’s cohort with Thomas and the crew.

Before the next immersion on Black Mountain, I stayed with Alex and Deagan for a night—and that time together laid the groundwork for this conversation.

In this episode, we dive into breathwork, grief, and what it means to live an examined life. As my own journey unfolds, it’s the blossoming of connections like these that make me feel grounded, seen, and aligned with my purpose.

Doing the work the world needs isn’t easy—some might even say it isn’t a choice. Yet here we are, listening, learning, and growing together.