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Off The Tools with Wayne and Andy 🔥

Di: Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones
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Welcome to the Off The Tools Podcast, where two of the UK's best trade business coaches, Wayne Bettess & Andrew Jones, deliver tons of free value week in week out to help trade business owners level up their business and more importantly themselves. Wayne Bettess & Andrew Jones are passionate entrepreneurs & trade business owners themselves who are committed to personal and professional development. on this channel, Wayne & Andy share their wisdom on mindset, self-development, and offer glimpses into how to create a life that is one of choice and freedom.Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones Economia
  • #40 Why Great Engineers Can Make Bad Business Owners
    Aug 12 2026

    Why Great Engineers Can Make Bad Business Owners

    In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones explore a hard truth in the trades:

    Being a brilliant engineer does not automatically make you a brilliant business owner.

    Many plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers and tradesmen spend years improving their technical skills, learning new systems, buying better tools and becoming excellent on the job.

    But the skills that make you great on the tools are not always the same skills needed to build a profitable, scalable and sustainable trade business.

    Wayne and Andy discuss why technical ability can sometimes become an anchor, holding business owners back from hiring, delegating, systemising, marketing properly and stepping into the role of business owner.

    This episode covers:

    • Why being the best engineer is not enough
    • The difference between tradesman thinking and business owner thinking
    • Why technical skill can sometimes hold you back
    • Why customers value more than just perfect pipework
    • Why great tradesmen often struggle to delegate
    • How being able to “just jump in the van” stops proper problem-solving
    • Why business skills, systems and leadership matter more as you grow
    • The danger of always being the technical person in your business
    • Why hiring people with different skills can help you scale
    • Why becoming a better business owner may mean stepping away from being the best engineer

    If you are a UK tradesman who takes pride in doing top-quality work but still feels stuck, overwhelmed or tied to the tools, this episode will challenge the way you think about growth.

    Because if you want to build a proper trade business, you cannot only focus on being better at the trade.

    You have to become better at business.

    Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:
    https://offthetools.co.uk

    Book a free discovery call:
    https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call

    Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes:
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    The best tradesman does not always build the best business.

    If you want more time, freedom and profit, you need to stop only thinking like an engineer and start thinking like a business owner.

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    17 min
  • #39 Is Andy Burnham Right - Why Trades Could Beat a Degrees
    Aug 5 2026

    Are Apprenticeships Finally Getting The Respect They Deserve? Why Trades Could Beat Degrees

    In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones dive into a big conversation around apprenticeships, university, trade careers and the future of work.

    For years, young people have been pushed towards university as the “better” option, while apprenticeships and hands-on trades have often been looked down on. But is that finally changing?

    Wayne and Andy discuss why becoming a plumber, heating engineer, electrician, gas engineer or skilled tradesman can now offer more opportunity, flexibility and earning potential than many traditional degree-based careers.

    They also explore how AI is changing the job market, why hands-on trades are likely to become even more valuable, and why real-world skills, confidence, problem-solving and life experience matter just as much as academic qualifications.

    Inside this episode, we cover:

    • Why apprenticeships should be valued alongside degrees

    • The earning potential of qualified tradesmen

    • Why university is no longer the obvious “safe” route

    • How AI could impact office-based and degree-based careers

    • Why hands-on trades are harder to replace

    • Why young people need more real-world experience

    • The difference between classroom learning and learning on the job

    • Why tradesmen build confidence, resilience and problem-solving skills

    • Why the trade industry needs to be promoted properly to the next generation

    • What parents should consider when advising their children on careers

    This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen, parents, apprentices, young people, employers and anyone interested in the future of apprenticeships, trade careers and vocational training.

    If you’ve ever wondered whether university is still worth it, whether your child should consider a trade, or whether apprenticeships deserve more respect, this episode will challenge the old way of thinking.

    Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:
    https://offthetools.co.uk

    Book a free discovery call:
    https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call

    Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes:
    https://offthetools.co.uk/podcast

    University is not the only route to success.

    For many young people, an apprenticeship could offer better earning potential, stronger life skills, less debt, more flexibility and a safer future in a world being reshaped by AI.

    The trades do not need to be seen as the backup plan anymore.

    They could be one of the smartest paths available.

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    40 min
  • #38 Tradesmen Using AI Will Win: How AI, Automation & Software Are Changing The Trade Industry
    Jul 29 2026

    In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast, Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones dive into one of the biggest shifts happening in the UK trades industry:

    Tradesmen using AI are going to win.

    AI is not here to replace plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, bathroom fitters or gas engineers on the tools. Robots are not turning up tomorrow to fit boilers, rewire houses or install bathrooms.

    But AI is already changing everything that happens around the job.

    Wayne and Andy discuss how AI, automation, CRM systems, job management software and smart workflows are helping modern trade businesses improve customer service, reduce admin, follow up faster, send better quotes, manage reminders, collect reviews, trigger upsells and create a smoother customer journey.

    They also explain why AI is not a magic button. It still needs the right business foundations, systems, admin support and human oversight to work properly. Used badly, AI can damage the customer experience. Used properly, it can help a trades business look more professional, respond faster and compete at a much higher level.

    Inside this episode, we cover:

    • Why tradesmen using AI will have a huge advantage

    • Why AI will not replace the actual trade work on site

    • How AI supports admin, customer service and follow-up

    • Why customers now expect Amazon/Uber-style communication

    • The danger of relying too heavily on AI without systems

    • Why AI call answering still needs careful use

    • How automation can support office staff, not replace them

    • How ServiceM8, SalesLion, QuoteLion and Review Lion can work together

    • How AI can trigger quotes, emails, texts and upsell journeys

    • Why reviews, reminders and customer experience matter more than ever

    • Why software should be seen as an investment, not a cost

    This episode is perfect for UK plumbers, heating engineers, gas engineers, electricians and trade business owners who want to future-proof their business, improve customer experience and use AI properly without losing the personal touch.

    If you are still relying on paper, manual follow-up, missed calls, late quotes and old-school systems, this episode will challenge how you think about the future of your trade business.

    Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance:
    https://offthetools.co.uk

    Book a free discovery call:
    https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call

    Explore QuoteLion:
    https://quotelion.co.uk

    Explore Review Lion:
    https://reviewlion.co.uk

    AI is not replacing tradesmen.

    But tradesmen who use AI, automation and modern software properly will beat the ones who refuse to adapt.

    The future of the trades will not just be won by the best engineer on the tools.

    It will be won by the business that communicates better, follows up faster, quotes professionally, collects reviews, automates the boring stuff and still keeps the human touch.


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    38 min
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