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Di: Jen Savage and Bridger Falkenstien
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  • Worn to Cloth: Therapeutic Presence in Traumatic Grief | The Relational Thread

    Worn to Cloth: Therapeutic Presence in Traumatic Grief | The Relational Thread
    Oct 26 2026
    Essay 10 of The Relational Thread, read by the author. Back in the second essay, Bridger promised to write about how presencing collapses under the therapist's own not enough and how it gets restored mid-session. This is that essay. It describes a collapse that looks nothing like the ones our training warned us about: not the still face, not the flinch, not the retreat into protocol, but the therapist fully in the room, leaning in, understanding, and the person quietly replaced by the map of them. It is told through one case in traumatic grief, the kind of work Bridger names as the most honest he knows, and the place where the relational thread matters most and is hardest to hold.Key themesHonest work. In rooms of traumatic loss, violence, and tragedy, nothing can be sugarcoated. The strategies are all present, in the client and in the therapist, but none of them can change the floor. Most of our work has somewhere to hide. This work doesn't.Why grief is the hardest place to hold the thread. The series rests on a mechanism: an old prediction is reactivated, meets a lived contradiction, and rewrites. In traumatic loss, the central prediction (they are gone) is correct. There is no experience in any room that violates it. That makes the therapist's not enough structural, and it makes the relationship the only thing on offer. Grief is relational learning; it cannot be taught, only accompanied.The collapse into competence. Grief theory is rich, and understanding is a comfortable place to stand across from something you cannot fix. The therapist who would never go still has one more place to go when the room becomes unbearable: into what they know.The binder. A mother, an epidemiologist by training, brings a three-inch binder reconstructing the day her son died, with every if-she-had-just in the margins. She holds it out and says: this is my son. The therapist takes it, and says it must have been heavy. Both true. Neither what she said.The coin and the totem. Two objects for traumatic loss. The coin's face is what happened; its reverse is what did not happen that was needed; its edge is what can no longer happen in the form it was supposed to. The totem is whatever the lost person, or the painful response to losing them, is still holding up inside the bereaved person's world: the absolutisms of everyday life, in Stolorow's phrase. A light left on means someone is coming home.Me, mine, not me, not mine. A sheet of paper with four regions, crumpled into a ball, flattened back out. It keeps its creases. The work was never about getting the paper back; it's about learning to read it. Drawn from Bromberg's me and not-me.What the binder was holding up. An investigation has a function a fact does not: someone is still working on it. And every if I had just, turned over, is a sentence that preserves a world in which mothers can keep sons safe. The alternative to that sentence is not relief.Reciprocal dual attention, and one timeline eating the other. The therapist holds the enactment in front of them and the echo of it. In this hour, the timeline where he understood ate the one where a woman was handing him the only thing she had left of her child and watching his face.The sentence. Five weeks of real work, then the totem named carefully, with the right preface, in the right voice. She came once more and stopped coming. The essay refuses to make her leaving into proof of anything.What a husband said. She worshipped that binder like it could bring him back. By the time she carried it into the office, it had already been interpreted, in contempt. Then it was interpreted again, in care. The essay asks whether the difference was as large from where she sat as it was from where the therapist did.The poem. Worn to cloth, read in the middle of the episode. A hand on a piece of paper; the sentence waiting in the air between chairs; a bolt entering its pocket in the wood. Held, not directed.Inscape. Wolterstorff borrowed Hopkins's word for his son's singular way of being in the world. Bridger uses it for the space a person leaves behind, which has their exact outline. The binder was a hand pressed to that outline so it would not soften. A totem is only a totem from the outside. From inside, it is the thing that has to be maintained, every day, by hand, or the world comes down.Four moves for when the map got ahead (offered as practices, not protocol)1. When someone extends the totem, receive the person. Take it with both hands. The only sentence that answers this is my son is some version of: tell me about him. And then go where she points, as many times as she points there, until the day stops being the only day.2. When you notice that you understand, go back to the face of the coin, the one place where the client holds the authority.3. Leave the meaning unnamed for longer than feels competent. The difference between the two cases in this essay is not that one formulation was right and the other wrong. It is who authored it...
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    48 min
  • Complex Trauma Treatment Planning: A 5-Step Framework for Therapists (Free Workshop) | Notice That

    Complex Trauma Treatment Planning: A 5-Step Framework for Therapists (Free Workshop) | Notice That
    Oct 21 2026
    Treatment planning for complex trauma works differently than planning for single-incident trauma. Instead of tracing one symptom back to one memory, the clinician maps a network: the before, during, and after of many connected experiences, and the identity structure the client built to survive them. This episode is the full audio from a free Beyond Healing Institute workshop in which Dr. Bridger Falkenstien and Jen Savage walk through the five-step process they use with complex trauma and C-PTSD presentations.The five steps1. Identify the theme. A complex trauma theme is an identity structure, not a single negative cognition. It takes the form "I am ___ because ___, therefore I must ___," and it is built collaboratively in the client's own language.2. Map the network. Past experiences, missing experiences (what the client needed and never got), current symptoms reframed as strategies, relational patterns including the therapeutic relationship, and strengths.3. Sequence by distress. Theme-linked memories grouped into low (SUD 1 to 4), moderate (5 to 7), and high (8 to 10) bands, starting low to build tolerance and momentum. The "three doors."4. Pendulate. Move between distress-focused and resource-focused work within and across sessions. In complex trauma, the window of tolerance is narrow on both sides, so clients need capacity for connection and resource as much as for distress.5. Integrate. New responses with real people, a new felt sense outside the room, old expectations updated by new experience, and one small step in daily life each week. Integration starts in the first session.The framework draws on Somatic Integration and Processing (SIP), Beyond Healing's case conceptualization model, which looks at every case through three lenses: relationship (attachment and neurodevelopment), body (somatic psychology), and memory (adaptive information processing and memory reconsolidation).The caseAbout two-thirds of the way through, Bridger and Jen present Cora, a composite client in her late twenties: autistic, diagnosed late after years of masking, raised in a high-control religious environment, sexually abused by a family member between ages nine and twelve, and disbelieved by her mother when she disclosed. In session she describes a memory she has never spoken aloud in a flat, precise voice and rates it a 2 out of 10 while the therapist's own body registers a 9. The workshop uses her case to show how a theme gets built, what resources fit that specific theme, and four low-distress entry points that could open the network without going straight to the abuse memories.Also covered- Why comprehensive trauma timelines can work against complex trauma clients, and what to do instead- Reframing symptoms as strategies and asking what each strategy still protects- What to do when a new crisis or a second theme shows up mid-treatment- Reading the therapist's own activation in the room without overriding the client's reportWho this is forTherapists, counselors, and social workers working with complex trauma, C-PTSD, dissociation, and relational trauma, whether you use EMDR, TF-CBT, somatic approaches, or relational therapy. The planning process is modality-agnostic.Content note: this episode discusses childhood sexual abuse and dissociation in some clinical detail.This was recorded live on Zoom. You will hear references to slides, a Venn diagram, the chat, and a shared screen. The teaching holds without the visuals. For the slides, the recording, and the treatment planning worksheet walked through near the end: connectbeyondhealing.com/txp/?utm_source=nt&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=NT_ComplexTraumaPlanning_Therapists_Fall_2026Upcoming from Beyond Healing Institute- Free workshop: The Case Beneath the Case, November 4, 12:00 to 1:30 pm Central: calendar.connectbeyondhealing.com/?utm_source=nt&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=NT_ComplexTraumaPlanning_Therapists_Fall_2026- Somatic Integration and Processing training, November (last offering of 2026; 2027 dates posted on the course calendar): institute.connectbeyondhealing.com/somatic-integration-and-processing/?utm_source=nt&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=NT_ComplexTraumaPlanning_Therapists_Fall_2026Links- Beyond Healing Institute, EMDR training and SIP case conceptualization for therapists: https://connectbeyondhealing.com/?utm_source=nt&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=NT_ComplexTraumaPlanning_Therapists_Fall_2026- The Relational Thread, Bridger and Jen's book and weekly essay series: https://connectbeyondhealing.com/the-relational-thread/?utm_source=nt&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=relational_thread- Support the show on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thinkbeyondhealingNotice That is hosted by Dr. Bridger Falkenstien and Jen Savage, co-owners of Beyond Healing in Springfield, Missouri, and produced by Think Beyond Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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    1 ora e 31 min
  • EMDR, Play, and Pre-Verbal Trauma with Ann Beckley-Forest | Notes from the Hall

    EMDR, Play, and Pre-Verbal Trauma with Ann Beckley-Forest | Notes from the Hall
    Oct 19 2026

    Recorded at the EMDRIA Conference 2026 in Anaheim, this conversation from the Notice That podcast's Notes from the Hall series features Ann Beckley-Forest, LCSW, RPT-S, on what has changed in Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) therapy with children since her book came out, why the next edition leans into the parents in the room, and the pre-verbal trauma work she is most excited about now. If the biggest payoff is in the caregiver relationship, how do you lead a session with more than one nervous system in it?

    Ann Beckley-Forest, LCSW, RPT-S, is a Registered Play Therapist Supervisor based in Buffalo, New York, co-founder of Playful EMDR, and co-editor, with Annie Monaco, of EMDR with Children in the Play Therapy Room. Find her at annbeckleyforest.com.

    Ann is a returning guest, and she brings news she says she has not said publicly yet: Springer has asked for a second edition of the book. We talk about what the new edition will add (a chapter on neurodiversity, more population-specific chapters, updated research, and a chapter on targets related to racism, oppression, and diversity from two contributors she describes as very deep thinkers); why the heart of the new content is mobilizing caregivers and parents even when that is messy; what it takes to lead a session with multiple nervous systems in the room; the small European study of the EMDR storytelling method with children from birth to four that she found exciting enough to go get trained in an infant mental health play therapy model; the perinatal and early childhood summit she is planning with Mara Tesler Stein and Annie Monaco for September 2027 in Niagara-on-the-Lake; why she thinks community is the missing link for child therapists and what she tells anyone feeling anonymous at a 2,000-person conference; what Derek Farrell's keynote affirmed for "the kid people"; what it feels like to reread your own chapter six years on; and how she keeps the play in a high-pressure week (capes, mugs, a booth team, and a trip to Disneyland).

    Notes from the Hall is a 26-episode series from the Notice That podcast, recorded on the floor of the EMDRIA Conference 2026 in Anaheim — a window into the largest gathering of EMDR therapists in the United States, for everyone who was there and everyone who couldn't be. Hosted by Bridger Falkenstien and Jen Savage. Produced by Beyond Healing Media.

    Explore the full series at connectbeyondhealing.com.

    Ann's earlier conversation on Notice That: https://art19.com/shows/notice-that-an-emdr-podcast/episodes/7b8a5ee5-c7e1-47d4-897b-7f60e7ec89b9

    Listen/watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/yXF0oeyVFfQ

    See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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    20 min
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