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Allen Webster, the creator of the Mr. 4th Programming YouTube channel, interviews programmers on their views and experiences of programming. Topics include trends in independent software culture, insights about being an effective software developer, the strengths and weaknesses of specific techniques and technologies, and much more. Find more about Mr. 4th at mr4th.com

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  • "Terminal.Click" with Abner Coimbre
    Jul 24 2024

    I talk with Abner Coimbre about his experimental graphical terminal emulator Terminal. Click

    We start off talking about Abner's personal interest in the terminal. We talk about his decision to build a terminal that doesn't talk to a shell, and the pros and cons of working without the shell. Abner discusses new features that he is exploring that can bring out non-textual possibilities for a terminal interface. We talk about the lifecycle and release timing for personal projects like Terminal.Click. And a lot more along the way.

    Links:

    See some Terminal.Click features (https://terminal.click/podcast/)

    Abner's Software You Can Love talk, and his conversation with Mitchell Hashimoto (https://terminal.click/media/)

    Look at the shell innovations in TempleOS (http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at-templeos/)

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    1 ora e 21 min
  • "Boundaries of Language Design" with Andrew Kelley & Ginger Bill
    May 22 2024

    I talk with Andrew Kelley and Ginger Bill about the position of classical languages in the textual programming paradigm.

    We talk about what makes a programming system suited to the native computing layer, interfaces for constructing software, visual programming vs visualizations of data, alternative input devices for programming, mapping programs down to the existing C-like tool chains, places to get started with compiler construction, and more.

    Links:

    Andrew Kelley - https://andrewkelley.me/
    Ginger Bill - https://www.gingerbill.org/

    Zig - https://ziglang.org/
    Odin - https://odin-lang.org/

    Light Table - http://lighttable.com/

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    2 ore e 4 min
  • "Visual Programming: Lattice" with John Austin
    Apr 17 2024

    I talk with John Austin about his visual programming system called Lattice.

    We talk about the ideas behind the tool, John's vision for Lattice, the initial inspiration for the project, John's preferences for where to rely on visual programming and where to rely on text, and more.

    Links:

    website - johnaustin.io
    mastodon - https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@johnaustin
    bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/johnaustin.bsky.social
    twitter - https://twitter.com/kleptine

    announcement forum post - https://forum.unity.com/threads/lattice-visual-scripting-for-ecs.1508402/
    blog post - https://johnaustin.io/articles/2024/lattice-now-compiles-to-net-il

    yfiles - https://www.yworks.com/yfiles-overview

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    1 ora e 35 min
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