Who's holding space for you?

Gerren asks it about halfway through this week's episode — and Jonathan Pride, combat veteran, author, and founder of the Caterpillar Leadership Institute, has to sit with the question a second before answering. Because when you're the one everyone else leans on, the question itself lands a little differently.

Part two of a three-episode arc. This one is about the emotional cost of always being the rock — representational weight, the impossibility of redeeming everyone's wrongs, the line between real resilience and quiet suffering, and where a leader actually replenishes. Jonathan gets into a funeral that reframed his understanding of his father, the Obama Fellowship moment that birthed his brand, and a permission slip exercise you can try tomorrow morning.

Also — the SOAR framework broken down (Storytelling, Ownership, Abundance, Resilience) and which pillar Jonathan admits is hardest for him to live personally.

Neither of them settled it. Part 3 next week.

Key Topics: Representational weight in predominantly white rooms, systems change vs. surface change, the SOAR framework as a leadership operating system, the Obama Fellowship, micro-communities as replenishment, the fringes of daily life where identity slips, the permission slip exercise, and a regret about a favor asked and never repaid.

Guest: 📚 Caterpillars Don't Fly by Jonathan Pride — Available on Amazon 🌐 Caterpillar Leadership Institute → caterpillarleadership.org 💼 LinkedIn → linkedin.com/in/jonathan-pride-831b3875

The Full Arc: 🎧 Part 1 — Who Are You Proving It To? 🎧 Part 2 — Who's Holding Space for You? 🎧 Part 3 — [coming next week]

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Thinking out loud about what gets in the way of connection.

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Who are you proving it to?

That's the question Jonathan Pride lands on this week — and it's the one that stays with you.

Jonathan is a combat veteran, an author, the founder of the Caterpillar Leadership Institute, and one of fourteen (possibly fifteen) siblings from New York City. Keith and Gerren open a three-part arc with him about how someone builds an identity out of trying to escape everyone else's expectations — a hardcore Christian household with a father born in 1933, an older brother's shadow, a career in Military Intelligence, and a career pivot everyone told him was crazy.

The centerpiece: the moment Jonathan won an MVP trophy in high school basketball that arrived engraved with his brother's name. That's the whole arc in one image.

We get into the cocoon as the real story of a life, why the butterfly isn't the point, and how the framework connects back to everything we've been circling all season on hyper-individualism.

Part 1 of 3.

Key Topics: Family systems and identity, complicated inheritance from a father born in 1933, Military Intelligence and the drive to understand people, the ghost of an older brother, the three arcs of self, the cocoon as the real story, and the question that sits underneath everything — who are you proving it to?

Guest: 📚 Caterpillars Don't Fly by Jonathan Pride — Available on Amazon 🌐 Caterpillar Leadership Institute → caterpillarleadership.org 💼 LinkedIn → linkedin.com/in/jonathan-pride-831b3875

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Sometimes the podcast about growth gets tired.

Keith and Gerren close out a three-part personal arc — the one where they turn the lens on themselves. This week is the quieter one. Not a framework episode. A real one.

Keith gets into the shame loop of teaching emotional awareness and still losing his patience by bedtime, the parenting exhaustion nobody teaches you about, and the moment on the pre-call last week when he realized he wasn't ready to talk about his own recent layoff — and now, this week, he is. Gerren gets into the loneliness that comes with cutting out relationships that felt good but weren't feeding growth. Both hosts land in the same place — the growth path can be an isolating one, and even the people making the podcast get tired.

"We can't always make a nice sound bite of a messy life." — Gerren, this episode.

Neither of them wrapped it up. That's part of the point. Try it again tomorrow.

Key Topics: The shame loop of teaching what you can't always practice, cognitive fatigue and emotional regulation, on being laid off, the loneliness of the growth path, choice-based social ecosystems, permission to not be growing all the time.

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