The fastest path to wealth isn’t cutting back. It’s learning to earn more money. “You can only cut to zero, but you can earn infinitely,” says Travis Chappell, host of the popular daily podcast Travis Makes Money.
At an early age he began preparing for a life in ministry before building a career in sales and entrepreneurship. He talks with Chris Hill about:
- Selling homemade rubber bugs to classmates as a kid—and charging extra for upgrades
- Knocking on doors for a solar company in college, and realizing he didn’t want to stop
- Why keeping your lifestyle in check is harder than earning more money
- The big purchase that gave him no buyer’s remorse (and how much he spent on Pokémon cards)

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Opening clip – “Margin Call”

Every dollar you save is a gift to your future self. But what if that person feels like a stranger?
UCLA professor Hal Hershfield studies why that happens, and what it means for the money decisions we make now. Author of Your Future Self: How to Make Tomorrow Better Today, he talks with Chris Hill about:
- His first job picking corn for $5.25 an hour, and the calluses he carried into winter
- The spreadsheet he and his wife used to split expenses when they first moved in together
- A question he asks himself before making a big purchase
- When it makes sense to spend money today instead of saving it for tomorrow

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Opening clip – “Succession”

Cassie Holmes has spent her career studying how we spend our time and why it may matter more to our happiness than money. But her own relationship with money started with an argument she overheard as a kid.
Cassie is a professor at UCLA's Anderson School of Management and the author of the bestselling book Happier Hour: How to Beat Distraction, Expand Your Time, and Focus on What Matters Most. She talks with Chris Hill about how that early unease shaped her approach to work, spending, and time, as well as:
- A summer job that taught her something her Ivy League education hadn't
- Why her business school colleagues rolled their eyes at studying happiness (and what changed their minds)
- The one thing she spends money on that lines up perfectly with her research
- Her biggest money regret, and why it isn't something she bought
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Opening clip – “Jim Gaffigan: Comedy Monster”