Sarah and Jane put the guest mic down this week to turn the conversation on themselves — and to share some messages from Robert Redford, along with some big news. In this episode of Medium Curious, the mediumship podcast for the curious and the skeptical alike, Jane and Sarah trace how they each found their way into psychic development and spirit communication without ever planning to — Sarah from a career as a professional oboist, Jane from running film production companies.

The conversation moves into consciousness, energy, and why comparing your intuitive gifts to someone else's can shut your own connection down. They also unpack entropy as a way of reading energetic states — what it means to be in a low-entropy state of ease and coherence versus a high-entropy state of urgency and static — and how that shapes the energy you bring to any reading, conversation, or room.

Plus: readings on Einstein and Robert Redford in spirit, verifiable details from the other side, and the launch of a new membership community called Medium Curious Collective for anyone curious about mediumship, intuition, and connecting with spirit.

Topics covered: mediumship, psychic development, spirit communication, consciousness, energy and entropy, celebrity mediumship readings, intuitive development, signs from spirit

• Comparing your intuitive gifts to someone else's is one of the fastest ways to shut your own connection down. Feeling less-than in the moment is often a signal to look at an old safety pattern, not a verdict on your ability.
• Any container or boundary — spiritual practice included — is worth periodically checking. Is it protecting you, or is it quietly limiting how far you let yourself expand?
• Entropy is a useful lens for energy: lower entropy states (ease, love, coherence) tend to be more expansive, while higher entropy states (urgency, static, self-drama) tend to contract things. Small check-ins with your own state matter more than they might seem to.
• You don't need formal training to practice reading energy. Picking a public figure, tuning in, and verifying specific, googleable details afterward is a low-stakes way to build trust in your own hits.
• Growing intuitive or energetic capacity slowly, with time to integrate, tends to hold up better than trying to "come online" all at once.
• A community where curiosity and wonder are normalized can be just as valuable as any specific technique or teaching.

• "All of creation is experiencing itself through you." — Sarah, on a message received during a channeled event
• "High entropy would be self-drama, urgency, noise, static. Low entropy is where you're in love, care, cooperation, honesty, service — you're really in integrity." — Jane
• "Don't leave this life without a dream or two coming true." — Jane, sharing a message from Robert Redford

• Medium Curious Collective sign-up —https://mediumcurious.thinkific.com/pages/medium-curious-collective
• Lauren Robertson, medium and teacher, author of Medium and Manolos
• Christy Levy, medium (referenced from a prior episode)
• Suzanne Giesemann — referenced re: the "connect with someone famous" practice game

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Before Shannon Nering could talk about the ayahuasca ceremony that changed her life, her grandmother arrived first, pulling the conversation somewhere none of them expected. What started as an interview about Shannon's memoir, The Mother Vine: How I Healed My Heart with Ayahuasca, opened into a spontaneous, emotional reading connecting Shannon to her late grandmother, before moving into the heart of the book itself.

Shannon, a former TV producer and director who walked away from a career in television to move her family to Kauai, talks about the identity crisis that came with that move, the layered "mother" themes in her book (her grandmother, her mother, motherhood itself, and the "mother vine" — another name for ayahuasca), and how writing became a way to process grief that had been held in her body for years.

She shares her first ayahuasca ceremony with the Shipibo tradition in the Amazon, contrasts it with gentler Kauai-grown medicine, and talks through what integration actually looks like day to day. The she shares about The Living Lab, her seasonal reset program for women in midlife and beyond.

Key Takeaways

• Grief doesn't just fade with time — it can live in the body for years, and creative or ceremonial work (writing, plant medicine, ritual) can finally move it through.
• Integration after a profound spiritual experience isn't a single moment; it's a daily practice — journaling, stillness, returning to the insight again and again.
• Fear passed down from a parent or grandparent often comes from love and protection, even when it later needs to be examined and released.
• You don't need to dive straight into strong plant medicine to access stillness, presence, or an open heart — there are gentler on-ramps.
• True healing touches four quadrants — mental, physical, emotional, spiritual — not just one.

Notable Quotes

Shannon, on plant medicine and ego: "You do not get to use your logical mind... it's an ego death."

Shannon, on what she took from her ayahuasca ceremony: "The journey is actually inward... that's where it all happens."

Links & Resources

• The Mother Vine: How I Healed My Heart with Ayahuasca by Shannon Nering — Simon & Schuster | Bookshop.org
• Shannon Nering's website: shannonnering.com
• My Big TOE by Tom Campbell (referenced in conversation)

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NEW EPISODE: Jane and Sarah are still flying high from their astounding chat with Gary Temple Bodley and Christy Levy, the channels and mediums behind the podcast An Unimaginable Life.

Gary fills us in on how Christy's mediumship abilities came online and what it's like to channel some of history's most recognizable figures. Christy explains how her gifts activated rapidly after taking Gary's course, despite having aphantasia, and how the two of them developed a practice of allowing well-known souls to come through using clues and categories rather than direct names.

The conversation moves into a live demonstration, where Christy connects with Albert Einstein and C.S. Lewis, delivering messages about duality, perception, and the idea that the universe is far friendlier than fear leads people to believe.

You don’t want to miss this episode! It’s not just sensational – it’s full of wisdom from greater consciousness and transmits the highest vibrational energy!

Key Takeaways

• Psychic and mediumship abilities often expand alongside a person's broader belief system. Christy's gifts came online as she did inner work to raise her perspective of herself, suggesting that development in one area of consciousness work tends to unlock others.
• Not being able to verify a connection doesn't mean it isn't real. Several mediums describe having to consciously choose belief before the evidence catches up, rather than waiting for proof first.
• Judgment of any experience, whether it looks difficult or painful, may be based on an incomplete picture. Spirit communication consistently points to the idea that no experience is inherently good or bad, only interpreted that way through a belief structure.
• Shifting your perspective changes your entire experienced reality, even when outer circumstances stay the same. This reframes personal growth as less about changing conditions and more about changing the lens.
• Fear can be mistaken for truth. Strong emotional reactions like grief, anger, or regret are not necessarily revelations about reality, but can be fear "borrowing your voice."

"The universe is infinitely friendlier than our human fear has led us to believe."

"Reality has never stood opposite you. It has always stood beside you and quite often it's secretly cheering."

"You have discovered what fear sounds like when it borrows your voice."

"Life is living through you. It's experiencing through you. You're not living life."

Connect with Gary and Christy

Christy Levy https://christylevy.com

Gary Bodley https://theteachingsofjoshua.com

An Unimaginable Life https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/an-unimaginable-life/id1707752987

Joshua Live https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/joshua-live-and-the-law-of-attraction/id1154555202

⭐️Receive a free audiobook of Joshua's first book "A Perception of Reality" for free! Use the coupon code garyfree at checkout. Here's the link: https://theteachingsofjoshua.com/books/

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