This episode is a panel discussion about how band and orchestra programs build leadership from day one, not just through titles or auditions. Mr. Ashley is joined by Austin Campbell, Renee Lechner, and Francisco Quixtan, who each share different ways they develop student responsibility, spot healthy versus toxic leadership, and use their ensembles to teach life skills that extend far beyond music.We discuss how leadership shows up in middle school and high school students, how structured roles can help or hurt culture, and how directors can train, trust, and serve students without putting them above the group.Sponorswww.sightreadingfactory.comhttps://geni.us/bettersaxclassicsax

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www.RCPDrum.comTimestamps00:00 - Opening the conversation on student leadership in band01:14 - Austin Campbell introduces his background and leadership perspective02:43 - Renee Lechner explains why leadership starts in middle school03:21 - Francisco Quixtan shares a K through 12 perspective on leadership05:32 - Why band teaches leadership, responsibility, and life skills06:46 - How beginning band students start showing leadership on day one08:15 - “Every day is an audition” and testing students equally10:04 - Helping students develop leadership through small, natural responsibilities11:02 - Students who need leadership most may not be the obvious ones12:25 - Using positive attention and classroom tasks to reshape behavior14:02 - What toxic leadership looks like in student and teacher behavior16:04 - Why leadership means thinking about the whole group, not yourself17:25 - “Leave it better than you found it” as a leadership mindset18:21 - Second-year syndrome and students who think they know everything19:11 - Teachers modeling humility, mistakes, and apology21:29 - Austin’s leadership assignment based on The Student Leadership Challenge23:34 - Choosing leaders who serve the ensemble, not just themselves25:07 - When strong musicians are not the right leadership choice27:02 - Why first chair is not automatically the best leader29:11 - The group can either be good for a student or a student can be good for the group31:30 - Structured leadership roles, crews, and point-of-contact systems34:51 - Leaders as liaisons, not people above others36:37 - Team-based leadership and shared responsibility in orchestra and band39:21 - How Austin selects structured leaders and drum majors42:18 - Interview questions that reveal a student’s growth and maturity45:06 - Testing how students respond under pressure and frustration46:12 - Renee’s drum major audition process and peer-selection question48:31 - Favorite interview questions, including growth and self-reflection prompts53:03 - Responsibilities handed to section leaders and student leaders55:15 - Letting different students handle tasks each day to build ownership58:32 - Francisco’s recruitment chair and student-run social media role62:27 - End-of-season student feedback and using ideas to shape the program66:57 - Renee’s advice: start leadership early and often69:32 - Francisco’s three T’s: teach, train, trust71:14 - Closing thoughts and takeaways for directors