Matt Van Horn: Never Read the Plan

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Matt Van Horn got rid of his IDE. Then he got rid of his text editor. Now he doesn't even read the plan his AI agent writes; he just asks for the TL;DR (Too long; didn’t read) and lets it run. He's the founder behind three open-source projects (Last 30 Days, Printing Press, and Agent Cookie), the former founder of June, the smart oven company that put an NVIDIA GPU on a countertop appliance years before anyone said "agentic," and he's now building a new company in what he calls the "after Claude" era.In this conversation, Noah and Matt get into what it actually looks like to trust an AI agent with real work, where that trust should stop, and why the calculus changes completely once real customers, real revenue, or real hardware are on the line.In this episode, you’ll hear:Why Matt stopped reading the plan, and when that's actually a bad ideaHow building a company after Claude 4.5 changes headcount and strategyThe simplest way to start learning AI coding by contributing to open sourceChapters:(00:00) Introduction(02:15) The case for “dangerously skip permissions”(03:31) From “don’t read the code” to “don’t read the plan”(07:45) Why vibe coding died last Thanksgiving(09:11) Matching your risk tolerance to the stakes(11:13) Building a company after Claude 4.5(15:04) Personal productivity with Granola and Claude Code(16:05) The missing agentic email product(18:07) How the open source projects feed the business(20:35) The best way to start contributing to open source(25:06) There's more than one right way to build nowResources:Sponsor: Valet — https://valet.dev — the secure place to share what AI creates.Follow Valet on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/valetdotdev/ Connect with Noah on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noahlevin/ Serious People Website: https://seriouspeople.ai/ Connect with Matt on X: https://x.com/mvanhorn Find Matt on GitHub: https://github.com/mvanhorn June’s Website: https://juneoven.com/ Lyft’s Website: https://www.lyft.com/ Matt's projectsLast 30 Days: https://github.com/mvanhorn/last30days-skill CLI Printing Press: https://github.com/mvanhorn/cli-printing-press Printing Press Library: https://github.com/mvanhorn/printing-press-library Agent Cookie: https://github.com/mvanhorn/agentcookie Agentic engineeringCompound Engineering: https://github.com/EveryInc/compound-engineering-plugin CE plan: https://github.com/EveryInc/compound-engineering-plugin/blob/main/docs/skills/ce-plan.md Claude Code: https://claude.com/product/claude-code OpenAI Codex: https://openai.com/codex/ Products and tools mentionedHowie: https://howie.com/ Granola: https://www.granola.ai/ Superhuman: https://superhuman.com/ Clicky: https://github.com/farzaa/clicky Wispr Flow: https://wisprflow.ai/ Digg: https://digg.com/ OpenClaw: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw Hermes Agent: https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent cmux: https://github.com/manaflow-ai/cmux Ghostty: https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty Podcast referenceLenny's Podcast with Cat Wu: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7wTqD5zwl8ZitUeplapvBG Cat Wu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catwu/

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