In this heartfelt and pastoral conversation, Justin and Trisha step into one of the most emotionally charged conversations in our cultural moment — immigration, ICE, border control, Christian nationalism, and what it means to follow Jesus in the middle of it all.

Rather than offering political solutions or partisan talking points, they ask a deeper question: What does it look like to follow the person of Christ right now?

Drawing from their own backgrounds — growing up in very different cultural environments, raising children with diverse political perspectives, adopting African-American children, and pastoring through the collective trauma of COVID and racial unrest — Justin and Trisha reflect on how fear, politics, and personal bias can shape our hearts in ways we don’t always recognize.

Looking at the life of Jesus — His interactions with the Samaritan woman, Zacchaeus, and the woman caught in adultery — they remind us that Christ consistently moved toward the “other,” never compromising truth but always leading with dignity.

This episode is not about telling you how to vote. It’s about inviting you to examine your heart.

If you’ve felt overwhelmed, tense, or unsure how to engage these conversations faithfully, this episode is for you.

• The Middle of Everywhere by Mary Pipher
• How to Heal Our Racial Divide by Derwin Gray
• Justin & Trisha’s books and relationship resources

What if most marriages don’t fall apart because of one big moment—but a series of small, unaddressed ones?

Justin and Trish sit down with author, podcaster, and speaker Lindsay Maestas to talk about her new book Don’t Burn Your Own House Down and the very real, modern challenges couples face today. From emotional distance and unresolved resentment to attachment styles, prayer, friendship, and intimacy, Lindsay shares vulnerably from her own marriage and the lessons she’s learned along the way.

This conversation is honest, hope-filled, and deeply practical—offering couples tools to recognize the “small fires” early, reconnect with humility, and pursue healing before crisis hits. If you want to strengthen your marriage without waiting for everything to fall apart, this episode is for you.

• Don’t Burn Your Own House Down by Lindsay Maestas
• Living Easy with Lindsay Podcast
• Instagram: @LivingEasyWithLindsay
• Lindsay’s website

What if the missing piece in your faith or relationships isn’t more effort—but empathy?

Justin and Trish are joined again by psychologists and spiritual directors Bill and Kristi Gaultiere, founders of Soul Shepherding, to talk about their new book Deeply Loved. Together, they explore how empathy helps us experience God’s love on a heart level, why many Christians struggle with shame and emotional honesty, and how biblical empathy leads to healing, growth, and healthier relationships.

This conversation addresses common misunderstandings about empathy, including the idea of “toxic empathy,” and offers practical ways to pair empathy with truth and responsibility. If you long to feel deeply known, deeply loved, and more connected to God and others, this episode is for you.

• Deeply Loved by Bill & Kristi Gaultiere
• Soul Shepherding: https://www.soulshepherding.org
• Books by Justin & Trisha Davis