Replay from a clip from Recovery in the Middle Ages (RMA) discussing the humor of social media discussions about kratom. Georgia talks about her quitting 7-OH journey with the assistance of medication for opioid use disorder (MOUD).

RMA kratom episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nat-x-days-without-incident-001-the-journey-of/id1528859864?i=1000748617656

Novel with kratom as a topic: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/710784/lungfish-by-meghan-gilliss/9781646222056

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Lily talks with Alex M. from east Texas. Initially using Kratom in 2022 to boost afternoon productivity while juggling church ministry and a web design side hustle as a new father, Alex quickly escalated from one daily dose of powder to taking high-dose mitragynine extract tablets four times a day over three years. He hid the extent of his use from his wife. His turning point came about a month before a planned Disney World trip, when he realized he couldn't enjoy the "happiest place on earth" without the drug in his system, prompting him to confess to his wife and quit cold turkey. Now approaching a year sober, Alex reflects on how Kratom had numbed his emotions, disconnected him from his family, and caused numerous physical side effects he'd mistaken for aging, each of which resolved after quitting.

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Lauren interviews Tyler about his trip to Mexico to use Ibogaine to quit kratom. After many prior attempts to stop in the years before, this treatment helped to reset his brain enough to get on the right track and finally achieve abstinence for just over six months at the date of interview. NOTE: Ibogaine comes with some risks, and it is important to research these, and to screen the quality and check the references of any provider to ensure safety.

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J.P. works in the mental health field but struggled with an escalating kratom habit that eventually led to him having to make two out of state trips a week to resupply. Drawing from his experience in alcohol recovery for six years, this week's guest (a 40-something divorced dad of two) relied on a range of tools and resources to quit kratom a half a year ago.

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This week's guest Bob from Philly talks with Charlie about his disordered use of kratom extracts escalating to 7-OH over a period of three years. He said it was the only substance he had to go "get more" when it ran out. Bob quit cold turkey with the help of faith and music, and is trying to retrain his brain to do activities he used to mostly enjoy by loading up on kratom. Shout out to his auto mechanic buddy - they listen to the podcast every Monday and discuss (thanks!).

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Jazz and Lauren discuss seeing new products at random local stores and the importance of community in recovery. Aaron talks about his struggles to quit, which often involved starting and restarting cycles months at a time. He also escalated over the years from powder to 7-OH until he quit around Valentines 2025.

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John G. first appeared on episode 55 in 2024. He relapsed and struggled to get back on track until February 2025. However, he returns celebrating a year now off kratom.

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Lily & Rosa in the open discuss Eye Movement Desensitization & Reprocessing (EMDR) as treatment option for those struggling with trauma. Rosa interviews Jack, a 33-year-old miner from Nevada who developed a severe dependence on kava-kratom drinks after struggling with addiction throughout his life. After years of denial and hiding his use, he quit by telling his loved ones and pushing through an intense six-day withdrawal. Jack now relies on healthier habits like working out and focusing on honesty and accountability.

EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization & Reprocessing) Resources:

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https://www.emdria.org/

https://www.emdr.com/product/getting-past-your-past-take-control-of-your-life-with-self-help-techniques-from-emdr-therapy/

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