Vivian and 'Olly are briefly outside of the Patreon bubble to talk about the Traitors! We chat about the differences between the US and the UK versions, how wonderful a campy gothic horror reality show is, the problem of unconscious bias, and why we love the traitors this year.

Some readings:

Hyphen - The Celebrity Traitors shows unspoken bias at work

The Independent - People of Colour keep leaving the Traitors early. We need to talk about why

Vogue - We need to talk about The Traitors and unconscious bias

Grazia - Culture Debrief: The Traitors Discourse Is A Reminder That Phrases Like ‘Unconscious Bias’ Are A Cop Out

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It's the Christmas Special! And today's episode is all about... the Christmas Special! Yes, we know it's quite meta, but it's worth a chat. We talk about the media that defines this time of year, from episodes of American sitcoms, to A Christmas Story, to the Doctor Who Christmas Special. We chat about the differences between American and English culture (as of 11 years ago), and what specific type of nostalgia we reach for.

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The end of season three is probably the best time to finally confront an all important question: what actually is fandom? How do we define this strange thing? Is it even possible? We chat about the history of the word and idea, take a little side path down an explanation of cultural evolutionary anthropology, and end with a big 'ol question of whether we can actually ever get away from some of the problematic ideas we have.

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Vivian's Taylor Swift project

Holly briefly mentioned Vivian's pool analogy, so it's here if you're interested

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