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The Cross and the Capitol

The Cross and the Capitol

Di: Dennis A. Kramer II Ph.D.
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Every Sunday, millions of Christians hear a sermon. Every November, they head to the polls. The Cross and the Capitol is about what happens in between. Each week, Ph.D. economist Dennis Kramer explores what the Bible actually says about the debates dividing America, from abortion and immigration to poverty, taxes, and religious liberty. Why do Christians who read the same Scripture vote so differently? Expect history, behavioral science, and the strongest case from every side, because faith deserves more than talking points.Dennis A. Kramer II, Ph.D.
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    "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities." Romans 13 has been quoted to defend the American Revolution's opponents, the Fugitive Slave Act, and apartheid, and in 2018 to defend separating families at the border. So what did Paul actually mean?


    In this episode, Dennis Kramer goes back to Nero's Rome to read Romans 13 in its setting, alongside the verses around it that often get left out. We look at the data on how Americans think about authority, Scripture, and law today, trace how the chapter has been used and misused through history, and hear the strongest case from each side.


    0:00 Cold Open

    1:32 Introducing the Host

    2:17 Welcome

    3:34 Rome, Around AD 57

    6:05 Reading the Whole Passage

    10:43 By the Numbers

    14:16 Romans 13 on Trial

    18:37 The Case Each Side Makes

    20:44 Closing

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