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In this latest powerful and moving episode Kellie Burns is back — and this conversation goes deeper than ever. In Episode 12, Kellie shared her powerful trauma story and the loss of her beloved brother, Sean. Today, we pick up from the next moment that changed everything: a major back injury, the fear of a three-level spinal fusion, and the wake-up call that became a turning point.

Together, Dr Nat and Kellie explore the real relationship between physical pain and mental health, why midlife can feel like an identity earthquake (hello empty nest + perimenopause), and what it actually takes to rebuild yourself when life forces you to evolve.

This is a raw and empowering conversation about reclaiming agency, choosing what matters, letting go of old identities, and creating sustainable wellbeing through movement, nourishment, nervous system support, and community.

In this episode, we cover:

• Kellie’s update since Episode 12 — and why life demanded a new chapter
• Postnatal depression, the “radical” advice that helped, and why movement matters
• Grief, trauma, and the long shadow of losing a sibling to suicide
• Chronic pain and mental health: why your physiology shapes your mindset
• The moment before surgery: fear, despair, and the line between coping and breaking
• What it means to stop trying to “get back to who you were” — and evolve instead
• Psychological flexibility as a key predictor of peace and future happiness
• Midlife identity shifts: empty nesting, menopause, agency, and reinvention
• “Grey divorce,” relationship re-negotiation, and the courage to choose yourself
• Muscle, bone density, and why strength is protective as we age
• The hidden mental health signal: screen time, numbing, and nervous system overload
• Community as medicine: “In order to have a village, you need to be a villager”

Guest spotlight: Kellie Burns
Kellie Burns is a successful real estate agent and business owner, mum of two young adults, and a fully qualified health coach. She holds a Diploma of Counselling, Certificate III in Fitness, and Certificate IV in Nutrition, and has a special interest in the powerful connection between emotional wellbeing, physical health, movement, and nutrition — especially for midlife women.

How to work with Kellie:

• Instagram: @kellieburnscoach
• Website:

This episode may include a short message from Dr Nat about her upcoming live masterclass:

Why You Keep Hitting An Invisible Ceiling — Even After All The Work

🗓 Friday 27 February 🕚 11:00am AEDT (Sydney, Australia)

This 90-minute live session is for those who've done the work but still feel like something is holding them back. You can find registration details via this link Masterclass Signup

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Intro and Outro music: Inspired Ambient by Playsound.

Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational purposes only. It is not intended to be deemed or treated as psychological treatment or to replace the need for psychological treatment.