In this new episode of The Angry Ops Guy Podcast, Mike sits down with Eric Cook - one of the most respected operators in the WSI network and a longtime friend who’s been in the agency trenches longer than most. The conversation spans leadership, burnout, travel overload, crisis management, and what it really takes to sustain a high-stakes agency when the internet never sleeps. From banking-sector pressure to tech outages, client trust, and the hidden cost of always being "on", this one is grounded, honest, and packed with hard-earned perspective.

And because it’s still Mike and Eric, the seriousness never goes uninterrupted for long. Somewhere between life lessons and Ops wisdom, the conversation detours into man-child humour, near-miss disasters, and the kind of friendship you only earn after years of mutual respect, bad decisions, and surviving agency life together.

Part 2 goes deeper into what happens after you’re forced to step away from agency life.

Jack Porter-Smith talks honestly about rebuilding career 2.0, why autopilot is dangerous, and how he’s refocusing on advisory work, writing, and peer support without sacrificing his health. It’s reflective, grounded, and useful for anyone trying to figure out what comes next once the Ops grind finally stops.

And because it’s Mike and Jack, none of that seriousness survives for long. The conversation keeps getting hijacked by the dumbest man-child friendship moments imaginable, including a hospital voice note that goes wildly off-script and a legendary client call nearly detonated by one perfectly timed instant message.