What makes something call out to us? Sonya and Henry explore how prayer transforms perception: ceaseless prayer, the felt body, sacred patterns, remembrance in communion, the invisible church spread through all time, and the holy mystery we're part of. (Recorded October 2020)

Transcript: https://hopeinsource.com/salience

0:00 Ceaseless Prayer

2:37 Creation

6:44 What Is Salience?

10:35 The Ordinary as Extraordinary

15:20 Patterns as Language

19:34 The Felt Body

27:19 Remembrance

34:19 Embodiment

37:44 Shape All the Way Down

43:05 Beyond Our Concepts

46:08 Eucatastrophe

52:21 Praise and Prayer

1:03:31 The Invisible Church

1:11:55 Grace and the Fall

1:17:05 No Ordinary People

1:34:21 The Leap of Faith

1:45:06 Holy Mystery

What happens when anyone can build anything? Melody and I snapshot this AI moment for us: vibe coding as gambling, understanding debt, McLuhan's extensions and amputations, building for community not companies, and why culture is really about cultivation.

0:00 Internet Checkpoint (what it means + why we're recording)

3:29 Why This Felt Urgent

8:03 The Vibe Coding Journey (printers → force push → Claude Code)

12:03 Why It Feels Like Gambling

14:03 How the Design Process Has Changed

15:26 Abstraction All the Way Down

16:56 "The Hottest Programming Language Is English"

18:14 The Faucet Turned On

22:55 Will AI Replace Us?

27:15 McLuhan: Extension and Amputation

30:05 "The Seed Needs to Be High Quality"

34:30 Orchestration and Human Judgment

35:46 Building for Community, Not Companies

39:58 Culture, Belief, and What Makes Us Human

42:32 "There Is No Inevitability"

48:52 The Checkpoint

Can a conversation have a sense of place? Laurel and I take a stroll through Central park on Memorial day: chatting about the idea of a walking podcast, sauntering, voice notes, memory, the romance of distance, physicality, screenshots, printers, embodiment, energy, perception, ultralight, ordinary time.

Something NEW to listen for: the birds, dogs, cars, shoe tying, and even a lady asking us to take a picture! I certainly felt both the messiness and the surprise of being outside!

Please check out the site https://sauntercast.henryzoo.com to follow our walking path!

- (00:00) The Birth of a Walking Podcast

- (03:01) Exploring the Concept of Footnote

- (06:09) The Role of Voice Notes and Memory

- (08:54) Capturing Ambience and Context

- (12:00) The Challenge of Finding Notes

- (15:04) Romanticizing Distance and Connection

- (17:48) Art, Memory, and Public Spaces

- (21:00) Desire Paths and Unplanned Journeys

- (23:58) Screenshots as Time Capsules

- (29:52) Exploring the Energy of Language

- (32:20) The Meaning Behind Screenshots

- (34:04) The Art of Printing Memories

- (36:52) The Journey of Receipt Printers

- (39:00) Layering Meaning in Screenshots

- (40:40) Walking the Internet, A New Perspective

- (47:40) Infrastructure and Awareness

- (51:01) The Energy of Open Source

- (58:50) The Evolution of Podcasting and Seasons

- (59:56) Understanding Open Source Philosophy

- (01:03:00) The Concept of Lightness and Ultralight

- (01:06:02) Art, Design, and Limitations

- (01:08:56) Games as a Medium for Creativity

- (01:12:03) The Importance of Rest and Time

- (01:14:59) Exploring Ordinary Time in Life

- (01:18:00) Creating Meaningful Spaces and Memories

Does technology give us control or the illusion of it? We explore how societal expectations, the nature of work, and AI challenge what it means to be human, contrasting the allure of self-sufficiency with the call to vulnerability.

Transcript: ⁠⁠https://hopeinsource.com/facade/

[05:18] Work Beyond the Title

[08:29] Unpredictability and Decision Frameworks

[11:02] Allure of Control

[13:35] Personhood

[16:18] Self-Control

[17:26] Self-Perception

[19:58] Technological Coping

[22:56] Deliberate Choices

[24:37] Unexamined Accelerationism

[28:01] The Proximity of Care

[30:56] Self-Sufficiency and Vulnerability

[33:08] Engineering Out Discomfort

[35:43] Hidden Labor

[42:26] Finitude

What does it really mean to call yourself anything? Joseph Choi begins to explore his ongoing journey of faith deconstruction, reconstruction, and whatever it is now. But we end up through about the anxieties around labeling one's beliefs, between commitment and optionality, and abundance and scarcity mindsets.

Transcript: ⁠https://hopeinsource.com/unpacking

• (01:04) Labels and Their Limits
• (04:21) The Trap of Infinite Options
• (07:06) Beyond Idols
• (09:42) Marriage as Compounding Interest
• (13:06) Reconciling Lenses on Truth
• (16:10) Abundance as a Heavenly Mindset
• (19:45) The Importance of Embodiment
• (23:07) Pharisees to Heretics
• (26:45) Parables, Miracles, and Game Theory
• (35:54) Organizational Structures

How does rationality/ea and faith intersect? Austin Chen joins me to explore the overlaps between Catholic upbringing and EA principles. We discuss his car wash story, tithing/earning to give, the concept of utilons and fuzzies, creating secular liturgies like Taco Tuesday, the tension between being agentic and the savior complex, on rest and waiting, and seeing the uniqueness of each person amidst the systems we create. (Recorded May 2024)

Transcript: https://hopeinsource.com/charity

• (00:00) - Jewish Culture and Rationalism
• (00:57) - Growing up Tithing
• (02:16) - Car washing for missions to earn to give
• (03:49) - Ebbs and Flows
• (05:32) - How far does a dolllar go
• (08:49) - Separate your utilons and fuzzies
• (09:55) - Assumptions in value
• (11:24) - EA as at it's best a meta-framework?
• (13:18) - Friends vs Movements
• (15:42) - Continual commitment
• (18:56) - Babel and Pentecost
• (20:16) - The Mystical Body and Taco Tuesdays
• (24:23) - Agentic or Salvific
• (26:08) - Humility of Sabbath
• (28:22) - Efficiency and Waiting
• (29:49) - Hope is trusting in people
• (32:06) - Knowledge Progression, Loose Structure

How does faith call us to both right action and right emotion? Sonya Mann joins me again to discuss the layered meanings of biblical parables. Some themes I liked: the paradoxical nature of faith, the generousity of God, the interplay bt obligation and grace, freedom within constraint, the parable of workers in the vineyard and talents, lay utilitarianism, the nature of praise, phenomenology in faith, the metaphor of weddings, viserality and the flesh, specificity, sacred modes, acceptable woo, cheap grace. (Recorded October 2020) Transcript: https://hopeinsource.com/feeling

• (00:00) - Right Feeling (Sonya Mann)
• (02:30) - Come to the table: God's generosity
• (05:21) - Orthopathos: a change of heart
• (08:53) - Freedom and Responsibility within the Body
• (12:42) - On obligation: asking something of you
• (15:41) - The freedom of the woodcarver
• (18:36) - formative moments of intimacy
• (22:37) - integrating with tradition, Christian art, Kanye
• (25:37) - Archaic on the outside, Alive inside
• (27:34) - Fruits: the form of faith
• (30:18) - Auras: acceptable woo and phenomelogy
• (33:25) - Sacredness as a mode of being
• (37:26) - Communities of praise
• (40:05) - One can't help but laugh
• (41:34) - cheap grace, coming prepared for the wedding
• (44:09) - A vibration throughout the whole stack

Why does everyone care about New York? Drew Austin explores the interplay bt digital/physical env and how tech values shape our lives. We discuss some of his past essays: fashion as public good, airport lounge-ification highlighting, and how digital paradigms reshape our physical spaces. Topics include: fake serendipity, lofi, gm, resilient systems, the commons as customs, postmodernist software, leaving a trace, Twitter as a waiting room. (Recorded October 2021)

Transcript: https://hopeinsource.com/artificial

• (00:00) - Artificial Physicality (Drew Austin)
• (00:08) - So what's the weather in New York?
• (01:58) - Even a pandemic becomes about NYC
• (03:18) - We behave the same, online or in a city
• (04:39) - Technology, Memory, and Depersonalization
• (06:46) - Lofi, CDs, and Artifical Physicality
• (13:19) - From Sharing Silence to gm
• (15:58) - Worn Out: Fashion and Public Space
• (21:39) - Modernist architecture and postmodernist software
• (27:41) - Code isn't just code
• (29:25) - Infrastructure requires resilience
• (31:28) - The commons as customs
• (33:43) - Airport Lounge-ification of Cities
• (37:03) - McDonalds as the only third place
• (39:51) - Reverse engineering bodegas
• (41:31) - Fake serendipity vs the city
• (44:17) - Can digital environments enable serendipity?
• (47:12) - Leaving a trace, a legacy, provenance
• (48:17) - Twitter as a waiting room