This week on Grand Exit, Tamatha and Chelsea are joined by Dr. Jared Rubenstein — a pediatric palliative care doctor who brings clarity, humor, and heart to conversations people all too often avoid, even in the moments they matter most.

Together, the three explore medicine’s blind spots, cultural weirdness with death, and how care changes when we slow down and truly listen.

You can expect to hear:

• A working definition of palliative care; and what keeps 70% of Americans from knowing that
• How end-of-life conversations, and naming what’s already with us (instead of ‘staying positive’), can connect patients with family members and care teams
• Two questions that reframe everything: “At baseline, what does a good day look like?” And “What are we actually fighting for?”
• A solid (and goofy) reminder of how palliative care is the fire department; not the fire
  

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In this tender, funny, and deeply personal episode of Grand Exit, Tamatha and Chelsea introduce their moms—Susan and Tammi—for the very first time!

What unfolds is a conversation that spans decades: from giving birth during turbulent world events, to raising daughters who challenge and change them, to the shifting tides as the parent-child roles begin to reverse.

You can expect to hear:

- How they navigated motherhood through war zones, newsrooms, and small-town kitchen tables

- The arguments that broke something that begged for a rebuild anyway

- Family quirks and the little traditions that, often unexpectedly, become woven into legacy

- What they wish they could tell their younger selves about motherhood

This one's a rare, four-way conversation on love, letting go, and the joy of being “in each other’s orbit,” through every chapter of life.

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This episode reflects on End Well 2025 – an only-of-its-kind conference about death and life – through Grand Exit’s lens of legacy.

Rather than a conference recap, you can expect to hear:

• 5 takeaways that stayed with us — words that illuminate how tenderness becomes strength, culture becomes medicine for grief, silence causes suffering, and connection matters more than getting it “right.”
• An exploration of what it means to live better because we’re willing to talk about dying better.
• A weaving of personal moments, redefined miracles, and the courage to meet one another where we are—without fixing, rushing, or turning away.

This one’s an invitation to choose depth over ease, conversation over silence, and legacy built in real time.

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