In the '60s and '70s, Gary Stromberg co-founded Gibson & Stromberg, the PR firm behind names like The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, The Doors and Elton John. He later co-produced "Car Wash" and helped found the legendary Rainbow Bar & Grill. Through all of that success, he was convinced drugs were what made him so creative, because getting high made him feel like he could really think and create. Looking back, he calls it a "false god," since the talent had been his all along. He just couldn't see it.

That changed 14 years ago, when Gary walked out of a hospital with one realization that has guided him ever since: there's nothing left he needs to get out of life, only something to give. Now 84, he gives back through recovery advocacy, mentoring young people, and the books he's co-written about addiction and second chances.

In his conversation with Michael Herbert, Gary opens up about life inside the music industry, the myth that drugs fuel creativity, and the two words he hopes will define his life: kindness and curiosity.

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