More revenue does not guarantee more profit. Ben Hansen revisits the growth and burnout that changed how he thinks about a successful business.

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This focused edition follows Ben’s experience with growth, burnout, and a cash-flow exit, then turns to choosing work your team does well and giving crews clear targets with weekly feedback. The closing lesson: build a business that rewards you now instead of relying on a future sale to make the years of effort worthwhile.

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Real stories. Hard lessons. Stronger foundations. From The Ground Up Show delivers honest business and leadership conversations and practical lessons for owners, operators, tradespeople, entrepreneurs, and leaders building something that lasts—with hearts, hands, and hustle.

Hosted by Erick Loden, a former commercial roofing company owner and business advisor. From 2014 to 2025, he owned and ran his roofing company, growing annual revenue more than eightfold and operating profit nearly fifteenfold before completing a successful internal sale.

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Before Richie Zook could lead a Pennsylvania concrete company from Idaho, he had to hand off work he was used to doing himself.

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Richie explains how he entered a new trade, helped buy Keystone Gun-Krete with seller financing, and brought in an accountant and attorney to evaluate the opportunity. His biggest fear was losing the people who made the business work.

He shares why the company grew around good people, how turned-away work helps him judge equipment demand, and why a $1.2 million pump can become a purchase driven by pride. He also describes testing remote work before the move and handing field responsibilities to a young leader who later became a partner. The conversation closes with costly mistakes, backing employees when customers are wrong, and the advice to be known for who you are, not what you do.

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Real stories. Hard lessons. Stronger foundations. From The Ground Up Show delivers honest business and leadership conversations and practical lessons for owners, operators, tradespeople, entrepreneurs, and leaders building something that lasts—with hearts, hands, and hustle.
Hosted by Erick Loden, a former commercial roofing company owner and business advisor. From 2014 to 2025, he owned and ran his roofing company, growing annual revenue more than eightfold and operating profit nearly fifteenfold before completing a successful internal sale.
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David Michaux left a stable project-management role to build Michaux Metalworks with savings, carefully chosen equipment, and a determination to avoid unnecessary debt. In this focused edition, he explains the internal debate before quitting, the first job that cost him more than $1,000, and the pricing lessons that only came after doing the work. The second half follows the next turning point: hiring his first employee. David explains the pressure of payroll and slow-paying invoices, the relief of work continuing when he leaves the shop, and the humility required to price confidently, learn from mentors, and grow beyond a one-person operation.

IN THIS CONDENSED EPISODE

· Preparing financially to leave a stable job

· Buying used equipment and avoiding unnecessary debt

· Learning from an underpriced first project that lost more than $1,000

· Knowing when there is enough work to make the first hire

· Managing payroll pressure, unpaid invoices, and cashflow

· Pricing with confidence instead of projecting your own budget onto the customer

· Staying humble, finding mentors, and continuing to learn

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Real stories. Hard lessons. Stronger foundations.

From The Ground Up Show delivers honest business and leadership conversations and practical lessons for owners, operators, tradespeople, entrepreneurs, and leadersbuilding something that lasts—with hearts, hands, and hustle.

Hosted by Erick Loden, a former commercial roofing company owner and business advisor. From 2014 to 2025, he owned and ran his roofing company, growing annual revenue more than eightfold and operating profit approximately fifteenfold before completing a successful internal sale.

Website: https://www.fromthegroundupshow.com

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