Listener Troy framed it as a debate: could Formula 1 manage without Ferrari? And could Ferrari manage without Formula 1?

Dick, Joe Saward, and Sabrina take on both sides.

Joe walks through Ferrari's structural advantages, from veto rights to historical bonus payments, and challenges the assumption that money alone explains the team's power.

Dick brings an unexpected comparison from his years working for the Dallas Cowboys, and the conversation ends up somewhere neither debate topic anticipated: aspirational marketing, merchandise, and why the New York Yankees might be the most useful comparison of all.

Troy's question turns out to have two different answers, and neither one is simple.

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