This week the conversation begins with January blues, endless colds, annoying neighbours and parental house moves — classic midlife chaos — before landing on the real topic: hobbies.

Katy and Katie chat honestly about how easy it is to lose hobbies in your 40s and 50s when work, family, health, hormones and life admin creep into every spare minute. They admit hobbies often feel like “one more thing to do”, but also explore how grounding they can be when life feels heavy.

From gardening to reading, crafting and podcasting itself, they reflect on how small pleasures and creative outlets can boost mood, identity and confidence — especially for women navigating perimenopause, medical appointments and the general slog of winter.

There’s also a diversion into authenticity and why not everything has to be monetised or Instagram-perfect — sometimes a hobby is just for joy.

A warm and relatable reminder that hobbies don’t have to be big, productive or impressive — they just have to make you feel more you.

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