Sometimes growth in our faith feels less like a ladder and more like getting lost on a trail you thought you already mapped. In this conversation, Brandon is joined in-studio by Jen Parks and Lindsy Waters, and they bring back Dr. Robin Braun to talk about why believers get stuck, why online “metabrawls” keep brawling, and what actually changes when God matures us beyond rule-keeping into relationship.

Robin breaks down a stages-of-faith framework (drawing from James Fowler and a Christian translation of it) and connects it to what she sees in inner healing work: people who say they trust God, but carry subconscious beliefs that God is angry, punitive, or performance-based. The crew digs into deconstruction, limiting beliefs, church hurt, and why many walk away when their faith was built more on systems than on a living relationship.

It gets personal too. Robin shares parts of her own story, the cost of hard seasons, and how “nothing is wasted” becomes real on the other side. The thread running through the whole episode is simple but not shallow: when love becomes the aim, the room changes.

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Timestamps:
00:00:51 Topic stages of maturity and introduce Dr. Robin Braun
00:03:14 Brandon frames the “maturity crisis” as more than doctrine
00:05:37 Robin connects stages of faith to deprogramming beliefs and father wounds
00:07:56 Robin’s background and early foundation God as a loving Father
00:10:13 Early supernatural encounters and pursuing theology from intimacy
00:12:35 Realizing theological ambiguity and why it forces relationship
00:14:56 Why some deconstruct and don’t come back relationship vs rule system
00:17:14 Jen asks for a clear framework of the stages
00:19:25 Stages two and three described tribe shifts and conflict
00:21:37 Stage four deconstruction and moving toward love
00:24:01 Holding beliefs loosely and dignity to disagree
00:26:20 Can people shift stages across seasons and areas of life
00:28:46 Practical wisdom don’t respond online in heightened emotion
00:30:50 Brandon shares his own rock bottom deconstruction story
00:32:50 Jen’s puzzle piece analogy for faith and fringe experiences
00:35:11 Limiting beliefs ant and spider circle illustration
00:37:28 Robin’s four stages of healing framework
00:39:39 Brandon on both and not either or and navigating gray
00:42:04 Rewriting history theology shifts and removal of miracle accounts
00:44:31 Rick Warren example and fallout of doctrinal dogmatism
00:46:52 Bill Gothard and patriarchy damage performance culture
00:49:08 What changes when disagreements don’t transform anyone
00:51:33 How hyper performance creates self hatred and fear
00:53:48 Robin shares marriage story boundaries release and recompense
00:56:12 Nothing is wasted redemption and compassion formed through suffering
00:58:32 Brandon on mystery sacramental worldview and trust
01:00:43 Heart mind alignment trust vs belief and inner wiring
01:03:03 Porto illustration and carrying beliefs into the heart
01:05:28 Encouragement for listeners faith shifting as growth not loss
01:07:51 Practical next steps find guides get healing rebuild relationship
01:10:15 Robin shares websites training and nonprofit support work
01:12:29 Where to start drrobinbraun.com vs integratedlifestrategies.com
01:14:48 Taking back tools mislabeling everything as new age
01:17:10 Robin prays over listeners and the church