Jeff and Sam talk about their love for Dolly Parton, the importance of bubble-wrapping Cher to protect her at all costs, and somehow manage to fit a harrowing survival story into the middle of it all.

Jeff tells the incredible survival story of Paul Martin Andrews, who was kidnapped at 13 years old in 1973 and held captive in an underground box for eight days before escaping. Andrews later became an advocate for victims of sexual violence and worked to prevent others from suffering what he endured.

Mostly, though, we love Dolly Parton.

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• WFMY News 2 – Kidnapping Victim Shares His Story of Survival
  https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/kidnapping-victim-shares-his-story-of-survival/83-402968266
• WAVY – Man Who Was "Boy in the Box" Continues Crusade for Justice for Victims of Sexual Violence
  https://www.wavy.com/news/investigative/man-who-was-boy-in-the-box-continues-crusade-for-justice-for-victims-of-sexual-violence/
• Paul Martin Andrews – Wikipedia
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Martin_Andrews
• Morbidology – The Boy in the Box: Paul Martin Andrews by Emily Thompson
  https://morbidology.com/the-boy-in-the-box-paul-martin-andrews/
• Medium – The Boy in the Box by M. van den Bos
  https://medium.com/@M.vandenBos/the-boy-in-the-box-paul-martin-andrews-1b5cbbaece0d
• Lost Then Found: Tales of a Kidnapping – Season 1, Episode 1
• I Survived – Season 7, Episode 4

Jeff tells the story of Franca Viola, the woman who said no, and her courageous refusal to marry the man who kidnapped and assaulted her—a decision that helped challenge a deeply entrenched tradition in Italy.

Sam tells a Wild West story about Rose of Cimarron.

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• Franca Viola and the Battle Against La Fuitina – History and Women
  https://www.historyandwomen.com/2011/07/franca-viola-and-battle-against-la.html
• Fuitina – Wikipedia
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuitina
• Inspiring Thursday: Franca Viola – WAVE Network
  https://wave-network.org/inspiring-thursday-franca-viola/
• Franca Viola: The Woman Who Said No and Changed Italy Forever – Medium
  https://medium.com/ash-and-devotion/franca-viola-the-woman-who-said-no-and-changed-italy-forever-8473f0d970f3
• Case 234: Franca Viola – Casefile
  https://casefilepodcast.com/case-234-franca-viola/

• 12 Renowned Women of the Wild West – HowStuffWorks
  https://history.howstuffworks.com/historical-figures/12-renowned-women-of-the-wild-west.htm
• Rose Dunn, aka Rose of Cimarron – Point Five Project
  https://pointfiveproject.substack.com/p/rose-dunn-aka-rose-of-cimarron-the
• 5 Rose Dunn Documentaries – Factual America
  https://www.factualamerica.com/outlaws-unmasked/5-rose-dunn-documentaries
• Rose Dunn, aka: The Rose of Cimarron – Legends of America
  https://www.legendsofamerica.com/rose-dunn/
• The Rose of Cimarron – Petticoats & Pistols
  https://petticoatsandpistols.com/2020/02/the-rose-of-cimarron/
• The Rose of Cimarron, Female Outlaw – HHHistory
  https://www.hhhistory.com/2018/08/the-rose-of-cimmaron-female-outlaw.html
• Who Is Rose of Cimarron? – True West Magazine
  https://www.truewestmagazine.com/article/who-is-rose-of-cimarron-2/
• Rose Dunn – Wikipedia
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Dunn

Jeff tells the story of Audrey Marie Hilley, Alabama's infamous "Black Widow," whose web of poison, deception, and murder eventually caught up with her.

Sam shares the disturbing story of Harvey Marcelin, a convicted killer whose crimes and later life made headlines again in 2026.

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• Ginsburg, P. E. (1987). Poisoned Blood: A True Story of Murder, Passion, and an Astonishing Hoax. Charles Scribner's Sons.
• Audrey Marie Hilley: Alabama's Black Widow – Medium
  https://stillpenguins.medium.com/audrey-marie-hilley-alabamas-black-widow-1d15a6505bc8
• Black Widow Caught in Her Own Web: Audrey Marie Hilley – Medium
  https://medium.com/@chelsealynnqueen94/black-widow-caught-in-her-own-web-audrey-marie-hilley-b52801ec700c
• Audrey Marie Hilley – Wikipedia
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Marie_Hilley
• Cleveland Clinic – Mees' Lines
  https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/22902-mees-lines
• Merriam-Webster – Psychosomatic
  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/psychosomatic

• News 12 Brooklyn – 88-Year-Old Serial Killer Gets Life Without Parole
  https://brooklyn.news12.com/2026/06/10/88-year-old-serial-killer-gets-life-without-parole/Ne2Rj1LYdKOvwiz5NDcyO
• Harvey Marcelin – Wikipedia
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Marcelin
• True Crime Avenue – Harvey Marcelin: Brooklyn Man, 88
  https://www.truecrimeavenue.com/2026/06/harvey-marcelin-brooklyn-man-88.html
• PEOPLE – 87-Year-Old Paroled Twice Sentenced to Life for Dismembering Woman
  https://people.com/87-year-old-paroled-twice-sentenced-to-life-for-dismembering-woman-11994882
• New York Daily News – Elderly NYC Serial Killer Harvey Marcelin Gets Life Sentence
  https://www.nydailynews.com/2026/06/10/elderly-nyc-serial-killer-harvey-marcelin-life-sentence/