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Disintegrator

Disintegrator

Di: Roberto Alonso Trillo Marek Poliks and Helena McFadzean
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What does it mean to be human in an age where experience and behavior are mediated and regulated by algorithms? The Disintegrator Podcast is a limited series exploring how Artificial Intelligence affects who we are and how we express ourselves.

Join Roberto Alonso Trillo, Marek Poliks, and Helena McFadzean as they speak to the artists, philosophers, scientists, and social theorists at the forefront of human-AI relations.

Disintegrator is produced by Rubén Bañuelos.Copyright Marek Poliks, Roberto Alonso
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  • 50. The Infinite Company (w/ Dave Wright and Brian Solis)

    50. The Infinite Company (w/ Dave Wright and Brian Solis)
    Aug 27 2026
    We're incredibly honored to be joined by Dave Wright, Chief Innovation Officer at ServiceNow, and Brian Solis, ServiceNow's Head of Global Innovation, digital anthropologist, and nine-time author. Together, Dave and Brian run ServiceNow Futures and have just published Infinite: How Visionary Leaders Transform Today's Businesses into AI-Forward Companies (Wiley, 2026).

    This is an awesome episode, where we have the luxury of talking to quite literal titans of industry about applied AI. We start with the concept of the 'workflow,' the graph-structure of business logic — designed, as Dave puts it, for the limitations of people and the scarcity of resources, and now confronting an abundance of intelligence. From there we work our way to the tantalizing concept at the core of their book, an 'infinite company,' a company that is technically enabled to such an extent that it can continously, progressively, reinvent itself.

    Marek pushes the concept to its limits: can an infinite company generate synthetic demand? Can it get infinitely big? And when does it tip into a true dark enterprise, agents making executive decisions about what to build and why? For Brian and Dave, the answer leaves a path open for humans as leaders, workers, and collaborators, who function to destabilize the linear, incremental self-improvement of agentic systems and reroute business into new and unexpected places.

    At the core of our conversation: Brian Solis & Dave Wright, Infinite: How Visionary Leaders Transform Today's Businesses into AI-Forward Companies(Wiley, 2026). See: infinitecompany.ai
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    43 min
  • 49. Garden (w/ Anna Greenspan)

    49. Garden (w/ Anna Greenspan)
    Aug 12 2026
    We're joined by Anna Greenspan: philosopher, Associate Professor at NYU Shanghai, where she co-directs the Center for AI and Culture, and author of Shanghai Future and China and the Wireless Undertow. Longtime listeners will recognize her twice over — as co-editor of Machine Decision is Not Final and as the author of Capitalism's Transcendental Time Machine.

    The occasion is Greenspan's new research: a philosophy of the artificial built through the garden. If AI is now something "grown, not built," the garden raises the question of agency immediately — anyone who tries to make one learns that the thing the garden gardens is the gardener. Greenspan is surveying seven aesthetic garden traditions, and here we tour a few.

    References:
    Samuel Butler, Erewhon (1872), esp. "The Book of the Machines"
    Anna Greenspan, Bogna Konior, Benjamin Bratton and Amy Ireland (eds.), Machine Decision is Not Final: China and the History and Future of Artificial Intelligence (Urbanomic, 2024)
    Anna Greenspan, Shanghai Future: Modernity Remade (Hurst/Oxford University Press, 2014)
    Anna Greenspan, China and the Wireless Undertow: Media as Wave Philosophy (Edinburgh University Press, 2023)
    Immanuel Kant, Critique of the Power of Judgment (1790) — the third critique, source of the beautiful and the sublime
    Baruch Spinoza, Ethics (1677) — parallelism of mind and body; sad passions and joy
    Mou Zongsan (牟宗三), New Confucian philosopher; translated Kant into Chinese, argued the supersensible is accessible through practice
    Xiong Shili (熊十力), Mou's teacher; philosophy of contraction and expansion drawn from the I Ching
    Nikolai Kondratiev, "The Long Waves in Economic Life" (1925; English translation 1935)
    Joseph Schumpeter and the neo-Schumpeterians; Carlota Perez
    Thomas S. Mullaney, The Chinese Typewriter: A History (MIT Press, 2017) and The Chinese Computer: A Global History of the Information Age (MIT Press, 2024)
    Peter Hall, Cities in Civilization (1998)
    Keiji Nishitani, Religion and Nothingness; the ikebana essay ("The Japanese Art of Arranged Flowers")
    Benjamin Bratton, The Stack: On Software and Sovereignty (MIT Press, 2015)
    Gilbert Simondon — invoked by Marek on technological individuation
    Sharawadgi — from William Temple, Upon the Gardens of Epicurus (1685)
    The ha-ha; Horace Walpole, On Modern Gardening (1770)
    David J. Chalmers, "What We Talk to When We Talk to Language Models" (2025)
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    52 min
  • 48. Indifference Engine (w/ Wassim Alsindi & Paul Dylan-Ennis)

    48. Indifference Engine (w/ Wassim Alsindi & Paul Dylan-Ennis)
    Jul 22 2026
    We're joined by Paul Dylan-Ennis and Wassim Alsindi, two of crypto's sharpest in-house critics, who arrived at the same place from opposite directions.

    Paul is a lecturer at University College Dublin, author of Absolute Essentials of Ethereum, an early speculative realist (co-founder of Speculations), and a member of the Silviculture Society, the informal cypherpunk body that keeps check on the Ethereum Foundation.

    Wassim is a chemical physicist turned record-label operator turned MIT Media Lab researcher, founder of 0x Salon in Berlin, and a self-described "deradicalized Bitcoin maximalist." Hell yeah.

    We start with Wassim's essay 'Open Swords,' which insists that open source has to die. The utopian horizon of the cypherpunks (Tim May's Crypto Anarchist Manifesto, Eric Hughes' clarion call, Barlow's Declaration) has been repurposed into systems of closure, with Palantir, Anduril, Helsing, and the corporate AI monoliths built on the backs (and skulls) of open source development.

    We go hard on the idea of the cypherbunk in general, into computational counter-politics, Nick Land's Crypto-Current, and Wassim's critical concept of necro-primitivism (Bitcoin as an indifference engine that cannot care about anything outside its thermoeconomic event horizon, now awaiting its quantum-computing civil war.)

    References:
    Wassim Alsindi, "Open Swords" (Akisoma)
    Timothy C. May, "The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto" (1988)
    Eric Hughes, "A Cypherpunk's Manifesto" (1993)
    John Perry Barlow, "A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace" (1996)
    Wassim Alsindi, "The Necroprimitivist Manifesto" (2021) & the Indifference Engine project
    Nick Land, Crypto-Current: Bitcoin and Philosophy (Šum edition)
    Anna Greenspan, Capitalism's Transcendental Time Machine (2000)
    Paul Dylan-Ennis, Absolute Essentials of Ethereum (Routledge, 2024)
    Paul Dylan-Ennis, Continental Realism (Zero Books, 2011)
    Hannu Rajaniemi, The Quantum Thief (2010)
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    57 min
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