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 Deep Transformation offers dialogues with cutting-edge thinkers, artists, contemplatives, and activists who combine big-picture, integrative perspectives with profound, contemplative depths. With these remarkable people, we explore the great questions of our time, such as how best to live, and how best to heal, learn, create, and contribute in our era of unprecedented challenges and opportunities. Visit our website at https://deeptransformation.io/ to learn more.Copyright 2026 Roger Walsh and John Dupuy Filosofia Scienze sociali Spiritualità Successo personale Sviluppo personale
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  • Christianity is About Love. Christian Nationalism is Not. Calling Out the Hypocrites with John Fugelsang

    Christianity is About Love. Christian Nationalism is Not. Calling Out the Hypocrites with John Fugelsang
    Mar 12 2026
    Ep. 225 (Part 2 of 2) | In Part 2 of our eloquent, passionate, and humorous, dialogue with comedian John Fugelsang, author of the important and irreverent book, Separation of Church and Hate: A Sane Person’s Guide to Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascists, and Flock-Fleecing Frauds, we come to understand what fundamentalism is, and what it signifies for our culture, our politics, and our future. John outlines five common features that characterize fundamentalism across religious traditions, pointing out that fundamentalist Christians have more in common with fundamentalist Muslims than they do with moderate and liberal Christians. “I go after fundamentalists of all religions,” John says, “because it’s turning people off to faith—ruining Christianity, ruining Islam, ruining Judaism.” This is the tragedy for John and what fuels his passion for calling out the hypocrites who do hateful things in the name of religion.John also enlightens us as to what Christian nationalism is all about, starting way back: “In the U.S., our history of Christianity is inseparable from our history of white supremacy.” Christian nationalism’s religion is power—a gospel of domination over love. Authoritarian leaders and their followers all worship power, he continues, and fills us in on how Christian nationalism is playing out in Russia now. John’s own message is not hateful; his intention is to make it clear that Jesus always taught love and kindness; to suggest that if the Church wants to survive, it needs to go back to the teachings of Jesus; and to help us come together in a common understanding of fundamental values. “It’s hard to love the bigot in your family,” John says. But we can “…hold to the deepest values, the most love, and do what needs to be done with love. We can’t hate the haters back, but we have to beat them without hating them—that’s the challenge.” Recorded December 18, 2025.“The greatest tragedy to me is when people think that something is religion and don’t realize it’s just fundamentalism.”Topics & Time Stamps – Part 2Fundamentalist Christians have more in common with fundamentalist Muslims than they do with moderate & liberal Christians (00:39) 5 common features of fundamentalism across traditions: women are inferior, violence is okay, punishment over healing & a victimhood complex (00:51)MLK was deeply unpopular at the time of his death—just like Jesus (03:43)Every generation there’s a new word to smear the virtues of love, empathy & caring for others (05:01)Christian nationalism: a gospel of domination over love (07:59)Prosperity gospel: God will reward you if you give to our Church (09:50)Christian nationalism in Russia (13:47)Authoritarian leaders & followers all worship power (15:34)If the Church wants to survive, they need to go back to the teachings of Jesus (17:28)Recreating Jesus as a white guy led to centuries of racism and cruelty (19:55)Using the Bible as camouflage: most people haven’t read it & figure others haven’t either (21:06)What weirdness in the Bible stands out most for John? (26:02)Growing up, it seemed normal that Christianity was about love & helping people who don’t look like you (29:45)It’s hard to love the bigot in your family (30:58)We can’t hate the haters back, but we have to beat them without hating them—that’s the challenge (33:04)Abortion has redefined Christianity, but the Bible never mentions anything against it (34:35)Resources & References – Part 2John Fugelsang, Separation of Church and Hate: A Sane Person’s Guide to Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascists, and Flock-Fleecing FraudsJohn Fugelsang’s SiriusXM show: Tell Me EverythingJohn Fugelsang’s podcast: The Sanity-CastKing in the Wilderness, documentary about Martin Luther King focused on the final two years of his lifeJerry Falwell, televangelist & conservative activistFreedom From Religion 2026 ConventionProsperity theologyMatthew 25Sharon Salzberg, renowned meditation teacher---John Fugelsang is the author of the New York Times bestseller SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND HATE: A Sane Person’s Guide To Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascists, and Flock-Fleecing Frauds. He has been murdered on CSI and picketed by the Westboro Baptist Church. John is a Drama League–nominated actor, comedian, and broadcaster, who’s hosted many TV shows and podcasts, including the acclaimed Tell Me Everything series on SiriusXM Progress. He got George Harrison to give his final performance on VH1, debated Jerry Falwell and David Duke, and made many appearances on MSNBC, FOX News, and CNN. His epic PBS road trip film on the American Dream, Dream On, directed by Roger Weisberg, was named Best Documentary at the New York Independent Film Festival. Fugelsang lives in New York City with his family.---Podcast produced by Vanessa Santos and Show Notes by Heidi Mitchell
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    41 min
  • Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists & Frauds (You Seriously Believe Jesus Said What?) with John Fugelsang

    Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists & Frauds (You Seriously Believe Jesus Said What?) with John Fugelsang
    Mar 5 2026
    Ep. 224 (Part 1 of 2) | John Fugelsang, author of the brilliant, irreverent book, Separation of Church and Hate: A Sane Person’s Guide to Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascists, and Flock-Fleecing Frauds, talks eloquently about the difference between true Christianity as taught by Jesus and the hateful teachings of Christian nationalists and televangelists who are in it for the power and the money. John grew up with a clear notion of what Christianity should look like; his parents lived their faith grounded in peace, love, empathy, and service, dedicating their lives to helping people in need, no matter their color or differences. So John set out to take the Bible back from “small-minded, right-wing, nationalist racists,” because he finds it tragic that vast numbers of people are being alienated from faith altogether, and he wanted to give his readers arguments they could use to face off with right-wing Christians about what the Bible really says. Christians and atheists have told him his book validates all of their beliefs, and he has inspired crowds of atheists to cheer loudly for Jesus.John is an actor, comedian, and talk show host, and his quick wit and well-informed, well-intentioned intellect make for a fast-paced, enjoyable, and educational foray into subjects such as how right-wing nationalists have made Christianity out to be a religion of condemnation and domination; how they quote Saint Paul, with all of his sex hangups and homophobia, rather than Jesus; and how it’s always been the Christ followers pushing back against authoritarian Christianity—adding that Jesus’ teachings are as threatening to authoritarian power today as they were 2,000 years ago. This is a timely, very important conversation about a subject that involves all of us: reclaiming the foundational values of love, humility, open-mindedness, and service. Recorded December 18, 2025.“Jesus is not about condemnation or domination; his whole movement is about transformation.”Topics & Time Stamps – Part 1Introducing John Fugelsang, award-winning actor & comedian, author of Separation of Church and Hate (00:40)Feeling your religion of peace and love has been hijacked by small-minded, right-wing, nationalist racists (02:59)What was John’s experience writing Separation of Church and Hate? (05:15)How could a religion of love be the same as the fundamentalist stuff we hear on televangelical TV? (08:58)Religion didn’t invent hate, but hate has always found a home in religion (11:25)It’s always been the Christ followers who push back against authoritarian Christianity (14:26)It was Saint Paul—not Jesus—who was anti-woman, anti-gay, and a persecutor of Christians (16:51)Hypocrisy is what outraged Jesus (21:51)Right-wing Christianity does not care about the teachings of Christ, only about conservative Christian power (23:47)The media never covers all the ways people of different religions get along just fine (26:29)Showing our right-wing Christian relatives that Jesus is not an immigrant-hating homophobe in the Bible does more good than calling them out for being immigrant-hating homophobes (29:34)Using scripture & nonviolence to shame frauds out of the Christian nationalism racket (31:50)In the Bible, you can find anything you want to justify your actions (33:29)How has John’s book been received? (35:46)Fundamentalism in any religion means you know that God thinks you’re better than other people (38:19)Fundamentalism is rooted in a particular stage of development where absolute beliefs—black & white, right & wrong—are what’s most important (40:13)Resources & References – Part 1John Fugelsang, Separation of Church and Hate: A Sane Person’s Guide to Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascists, and Flock-Fleecing FraudsJohn Fugelsang’s SiriusXM show: Tell Me EverythingJohn Fugelsang’s podcast: The Sanity-CastDietrich Bonhoeffer, pastor who gave his life resisting Nazi Germany’s Christian nationalismPaul the Apostle was born Saul of TarsusBishop John Shelby Spong of NewarkMatthew 25Senator Raphael Warlock uses scripture & nonviolence to shame frauds out of the racket of Christian nationalism---John Fugelsang is the author of the New York Times bestseller SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND HATE: A Sane Person’s Guide To Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascists, and Flock-Fleecing Frauds. He has been murdered on CSI and picketed by the Westboro Baptist Church. John is a Drama League–nominated actor, comedian, and broadcaster, who’s hosted many TV shows and podcasts, including the acclaimed Tell Me Everything series on SiriusXM Progress. He got George Harrison to give his final performance on VH1, debated Jerry Falwell and David Duke, and made many appearances on MSNBC, FOX News, and CNN. His epic PBS road trip film on the American Dream, Dream On, directed by Roger Weisberg, was named Best Documentary at the New York Independent Film Festival. Fugelsang lives in New ...
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    45 min
  • Lessons of War: Courage & Creative Leadership Flourish in Ukraine

    Lessons of War: Courage & Creative Leadership Flourish in Ukraine
    Feb 26 2026
    Ep. 223 | Four solid years since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, integral thinkers Kateryna Yasko and Vytautas Bučiūnas relate what life in Ukraine is like—emotionally, physically, spiritually. Far from what you might expect of a conversation about the state of Ukraine after four years of war—far from being battered and downtrodden—this is a story of resilience, resourcefulness, courage, and accelerated human development. Kateryna likens Ukraine to a living laboratory of transformation—with everyone united in the fight to preserve democracy and their identity as a nation, “the social fabric is strong, the resilience is astonishing…heroes receive a lot of gratitude from the people they serve.” On a personal level, Kateryna and Vytas share how they have grown in ways they wouldn’t have expected: capacities have widened, appreciation of life has deepened, and experiences of profound joy arise in giving their all, together with their compatriots, for the future of the next generation.Leadership in Ukraine is in an evolutionary elevator, Vytautas, an integral leadership development consultant, tells us. Leaders no longer have the option to be reactive or habitual, and this has generated extraordinary creativity and courage in leadership in the military, business, politics, and social groups. Kateryna, a pedagogical psychologist, points out that human rights, democracy, and freedom are foundational for spiritual growth. People need to understand how to manifest their political self, she says, because if they don’t, they will tend to escape into spirituality in a form of spiritual bypassing. “What can we do to help? co-host John Dupuy asks. “Come to Ukraine!” Kateryna and Vytas respond. Come experience and co-create the vertical development happening in this living laboratory of modern crisis. Recorded February 8, 2026.“The best way to practice spirituality is human rights assurance and activism; all the rest is secondary.”Topics & Time StampsIntroducing from Kyiv, Kateryna Yasko, pedagogical psychologist & Vytautas Bučiūnas, integral coach & leadership development consultant (01:01)What is the psychological and physical weather in Ukraine after 4 years of war? (03:36)Russia is using this very cold winter as a weapon, deliberately targeting infrastructure that supplies electricity & heat (04:08)The social fabric is strong, the resilience is astonishing (06:34)There’s no choice—surrendering is not an option; the war would not end (12:10)Transformation has to include politics: assuring free speech and democracy comes before spiritual work (14:12)What forces are keeping Ukrainians together? (18:14)Humor is a big help (22:15)Leadership in Ukraine is in an evolutionary elevator (24:38) Courage, creative thinking, and gaming logic in the military (27:17)In Kyiv, with guns everywhere, the level of crime is very low (33:14)Putin is hostage to this war now; there are up to 50,000 Russian casualties per month (35:09)John shares his Ukraine! song and the accompanying YouTube video, created by Kateryna’s daughter (36:44)Come to Ukraine! Experience the vertical development happening in this living laboratory of modern crisis (42:10)Measuring teenagers’ developmental levels: Ukrainians are maturing faster, evolving faster (43:59)Donations are welcome (see recommended options under Resources below) (46:04)Passing the 1,418 days of war mark: this war has now run longer than Russia’s “Great Patriotic War,” so glorified after WWII (47:28)Resources & ReferencesJames Hillman & Michael Ventura, We’ve Had a Hundred Years of Psychotherapy and the World’s Getting WorseKeeping the Soul of Ukraine Alive: Maintaining Personal & National Ideals while Under Fire in Ukraine (Deep Transformation podcast)Валерій Пекар, Бесіди майстра Хай Тао про стратегію (Master Hai Tao’s Conversations About Strategy by Ukrainian Integralist Valeriy Pekar – as of this writing, this book is not yet available in English, but here is a YouTube interview with the author: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btADES9iwfYUkraine! Song by John Dupuy (YouTube video)Daniel Kirkpatrick, At The Edge of Democracy: A Pacifist’s Visit to UkraineRobert Kegan’s Stage Theory of Adult DevelopmentSusanne Cook-Greuter, Stages of Human Development (Elevating Consciousness podcast YouTube video)Recommended Donation Sites – Support Ukraine!United24, the official fundraising platform of Ukraine initiated by President Zelenskyy, founded to protect, save, and rebuild UkraineCome Back Alive, the Foundation for Competent Assistance to the ArmyYou are also welcome to donate to a cause of your choice (i.e., evacuating soldiers from the front lines, buying rifles, saving Ukrainian culture, and more, through Kateryna’s PayPal email below, full transparency guaranteed.Support via PayPal---Kateryna Yasko (Ukraine) is a psychologist and business trainer specializing in the ...
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    51 min
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