Jonny Cragg, professional therapist by day – and most of the time, actually – is also the drummer of the rock band, Spacehog. While the boys from Leeds scored a monster hit with "In The Meantime" in the mid '90s, they ultimately produced four critically-acclaimed albums from 1995 to 2013. Still, even MTV mega success can be fleeting, and while critics and fans understood Spacehog matched its larger-than-life spectacle with stellar musicianship, it was easy to incorrectly label the band a one-hit wonder. The group's future seemed unlikely until "Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3" breathed new life into Spacehog, introducing its best-selling record to a new generation.

In the meantime (pun intended), Cragg went on to become a licensed mental health professional, intensively trained in both Dialectical Behavioral Therapy and Radically Open Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. He operates his practice out of Oakland, California, offering concrete skills for clients who are not as comfortable with conventional talk therapy.

But in Summer 2025, Cragg picked up his drumsticks once again for Spacehog's first tour in years, a short trip up and down the West Coast – and Andy Tarnoff took the opportunity to catch up with him in Portland, Oregon. The two have been friends and worked together at OnMilwaukee a decade ago – and a pre-show dinner made for a great excuse to record a Deep Dive podcast about the similarities, and obvious differences, between professional therapist and rock band drummer on the road.

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Chapters:

00:00 A Surprising Comeback

03:06 The Intersection of Music and Mental Health

06:03 Dialectical Behavioral Therapy: A Creative Approach

09:00 Forgiveness and Acceptance in Music and Therapy

11:58 The Current State of the Music Industry

14:52 Future Possibilities for Spacehog

In this episode of Deep Dive: Wine Acoustics, hosts Andy Tarnoff and Courtney Taylor-Taylor of The Dandy Warhols, taste a Bandol wine and discuss its varietals, tasting notes, and the experience of pairing it with award-winning cheese. Courtney and Andy delve into the creative process behind music-making, discussing the evolution of their sound, the challenges of collaboration, and the intricacies of songwriting. They also explore the impact of Taylor's music on popular culture, share insights on live performances, and reflect on past albums and hits.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Wine and Cheese Pairing

03:04 Exploring the Wine Varietals

05:54 Tasting Experience and Initial Impressions

09:11 Cheese and Wine Pairing Insights

12:12 Discussion on Wine Availability and Pricing

14:56 Wine Reviews and Expert Opinions

17:59 Anecdotes from the Wine World

21:05 The Playboy Mansion Experience

24:00 Creative Projects and Musical Endeavors

27:35 Navigating Band Dynamics

29:46 The Creative Process Behind New Music

32:59 Live Performances vs. Studio Work

36:33 Wine and Music: A Perfect Pairing

41:00 Reflections on Past Albums and Hits

46:12 Songwriting Insights and Inspirations

47:57 Final Thoughts and Wine Reviews

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In this episode of Deep Dive: Wine Acoustics, Andy Tarnoff and Courtney Taylor-Taylor delve into the world of Sardinian wines, exploring the evolution of winemaking on the island and the impact of younger generations of winemakers. They share their tasting experiences of Arianna Occhipinti SP68 Rosso. They discuss the characteristics of natural wines and reflect on the stories behind the wines they enjoy. The conversation highlights the cultural significance of wine and the personal connections it fosters. In this engaging conversation, Courtney delves into the intricate connections between wine and music, exploring personal anecdotes and stories that highlight their experiences. They discuss the creative process behind the song "Search Party, influences from iconic musicians like Joe Strummer.

The episode also includes a detailed wine tasting segment, where they share their thoughts on various wines and their preferences, culminating in a lively discussion about the joys of wine and music.

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Chapters

00:00 Exploring Sardinian Wines

03:10 Wine Tasting Experience

11:01 Understanding Natural Wines

20:16 The Story Behind the Winery

23:24 Personal Reflections on Wine

25:47 Exploring Wine and Music Connections

27:44 The Story Behind "Search Party"

32:17 Influences and Inspirations in Music

40:31 Rock Names and Identities 46:30 Wine Tasting and Recommendations

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