After eight seasons, countless conversations, and a whole lot of laughter, tears, unraveling, and becoming, we are releasing our final episode of the Deconstructing Mamas podcast.

This one is different.

Instead of one long conversation, we’re weaving together short, meaningful snippets from every season — tiny heartbeats that capture the essence of what this journey has been for us and for so many of you. Between each season, we share small reflections about what we’ve learned and who we’re becoming.

We hope this episode feels like a quilt of our time together — stitched with honesty, courage, tenderness, and yes… plenty of grace and space.

✨ In This Episode

• A curated montage of moments from every season
• Personal reflections from Esther and Lizz
• A look back at where we started — when very few voices were speaking openly about deconstruction, doubt, or evolving faith
• A vision for where we’re headed next
• A huge dose of gratitude for YOU — our listeners, our guests, our community

✨ Our Ongoing Work

Although the podcast is ending, our work continues — just in new forms.

Esther is pouring more deeply into her spiritual direction practice, Heard and Held, where she companions people through life transitions, soul questions, and evolving faith.
Learn more: estherjoygoetz.com/heardandheld

Lizz will be tending the Deconstructing Mamas social media space for a while, giving herself room to explore what’s next in her own unfolding faith journey.

✨ A Growing Resource Hub

When we began this podcast, there were almost no resources for people navigating faith shifts — no guides, no shared stories, no roadmap.

Now?
There is a flourishing community of voices doing beautiful, necessary work in the world of evolving faith.

We are committed to pointing you toward them.

Visit our Resource Page, which includes:

• Every guest from all eight seasons
• Books, podcasts, workshops, and guides that have shaped us
• Other teachers, writers, therapists, and spiritual companions who are doing deep, meaningful work

🌱 This page will be fully updated before the end of the year.

Explore here: deconstructingmamas.com/resources

✨ Thank You

To every guest, listener, supporter, question-asker, and quiet companion on the other side of the headphones:

You have given us grace.
You have given us space.
And you have walked with us on this beautiful, hard, sacred, and brave journey of an ever-evolving faith.

We’re forever grateful.

In this powerful and honest conversation, Esther and Liz sit down with returning guest and friend Dr. Glenn Siepert — author, artist, and creator of The What If Project. Together, they explore:

✨ What it feels like when faith unravels… again

Glenn shares the disorienting (and strangely hopeful) experience of realizing that the beliefs that once felt solid no longer hold up — and how returning to the “still small voice” inside changed everything.

✨ The difference between the loud voice of outrage and the quiet voice of intuition

We talk about the internal noise that comes from doom-scrolling, fear, and certainty… and the gentle whisper beneath it that calls us back to our truest selves.

✨ How we recreate old fundamentalism in new clothing

Why it’s so easy to transfer judgment, certainty, and arrogance into a “new container” — and how to catch ourselves when we do.

✨ Jesus, the Bible, and faith — reimagined

Glenn reflects on how his relationship with scripture and Jesus has changed: less about worshiping the unattainable, more about remembering who we truly are.

✨ Why love really is a form of resistance

We dive deep into what it means to see the humanity in someone whose beliefs feel harmful or deeply triggering — without abandoning our own boundaries or safety.

✨ Proximity, curiosity, and the slow inner work of healing

We explore how curiosity dismantles fear, why proximity changes everything, and why inner healing is the only path toward outer compassion.

This episode is for anyone who has ever felt disoriented, untethered, angry, hopeful, curious, exhausted, or wide awake.

You’re not alone. And there is another way.

In this third-to-last episode of Deconstructing Mamas, we talk about one of the biggest questions we’ve been asked over the past four years:

What does community look like now, after everything we’ve lost?

For so many of us, the communities we left behind were built around sameness — shared beliefs, shared behaviors, shared expectations. Belonging depended on staying inside the lines, and when we stepped outside them, everything changed.

In this honest conversation, we explore:

• what we were actually grieving when those communities fell apart
• how the loss showed up in our bodies, rhythms, and spiritual lives
• the tension of wanting connection again but fearing hurt or misunderstanding
• what we truly need from community now (and what we’re no longer willing to sacrifice)
• the surprising, tender ways new community has begun to grow

We talk about Esther’s spiritual direction cohort, our online book club, and the friends who love us with no agenda. And we talk about Lizz’s experience finding unexpected connection with the moms at her small-town school — community without pressure, performance, or shrinking.

If you’re in the in-between — grieving what was and unsure what comes next — this episode is for you.

There is a way forward.
It may be smaller, softer, slower…but it will be truer.

And you’ll know it by how deeply you can breathe there.