Can the discipline that takes someone into the NFL also teach them how to look at art?

In this first episode back of Compelling, Katy Wellesley-Wesley speaks with former NFL linebacker and contemporary art collector Keith Rivers about learning a new language after professional sport. Keith recalls the injuries that shaped his football career, the museum visit that sparked his curiosity and the experience at Art Basel that convinced him to take his own education more seriously.

Keith describes how reading, exhibition visits and recorded artist talks helped him develop his taste. He explains why he looks for conversations between artworks, what Albert Barnes taught him about collecting and why patience matters more than filling empty walls. For anyone starting a collection or reconsidering a career, this is a candid conversation about building confidence through sustained attention.

• (00:00) - Welcome to Compelling
• (04:37) - Finding Football and Choosing USC
• (08:54) - Hard Work, Repetition and Visualisation
• (13:13) - Joining the NFL
• (18:12) - Injuries and the Mental Cost of Playing
• (22:50) - Knowing When to Leave Football
• (28:49) - Bringing Discipline to Art
• (33:38) - Art Basel and Learning to Trust Your Eye
• (37:43) - Conversations Between Artworks
• (43:03) - The Collector as Custodian
• (49:34) - Living Between Paris and Los Angeles
• (55:31) - Exhibitions, Future Plans and Advice

Katy Wellesley Wesley: With over 18 years of leadership across galleries, foundations, and startups, Katy has built a career shaped by curiosity and a drive to explore new ideas. She spent a decade at leading commercial galleries—first at Gagosian, then at Pace, where she was Director of Exhibitions in London. She went on to lead the Villa Lena Foundation in Italy as Director, before joining the founding team of ROKBOX, a pioneering environmentally focused art logistics startup, as Sales Director. After relocating to Paris six years ago, Katy developed a strong interest in the intersection of art and luxury. To deepen this focus, she recently completed an Executive Master’s in Luxury Management and Design Innovation, a joint program between ESSEC Business School and Parsons School of Design. She now works as a consultant to brands, artists, foundations, and collectors. Among her clients is the legendary art publisher Cahiers d’Art, where she heads Commercial Partnerships.

Art direction by Eddie Harrop Studio
Website and Production by Story Ninety-Four

What does the day-to-day reality of a conceptual art studio actually look like?

In this bonus episode of Compelling, host Katy Wellesley-Wesley asks Noémie Goudal to pull back the curtain on her Paris studio and the team behind the illusions. Noémie describes a lean permanent setup, a studio manager, rotating interns and a deep bench of freelance specialists that scales to meet each project. From the optical engineer who calculates the precise dimensions of her paper backdrops, to the pyrotechnician who stages controlled explosions, to the iconographer who brought order to years of chaotic research, each collaborator opens a new field of knowledge that feeds back into the work.

Katy also asks whether the number of women among Noémie's key collaborators is deliberate. The balance, she says, is organic rather than engineered. A quick, candid glimpse into how large-scale art is actually made.

Noémie Goudal: Noémie Goudal is a French conceptual artist whose photographs, films, performances and sculptures construct illusionistic interventions in the landscape, underpinned by research at the intersection of ecology, anthropology and paleoclimatology. She graduated with an MA in Photography from the Royal College of Art in 2010, after studying graphic design at Central Saint Martins. Goudal was shortlisted for the Prix Marcel Duchamp 2024 at Centre Pompidou, where she premiered the films Grand Vide and Supra Strata. Her Artangel-commissioned installation The Story of Fixity is touring to Le Portique in Le Havre for Normandie Impressionniste 2026, with further exhibitions at the Pola Foundation in Japan and a major monographic survey opening at the Norton Museum of Art, West Palm Beach, in 2027.

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Katy Wellesley Wesley: With over 18 years of leadership across galleries, foundations, and startups, Katy has built a career shaped by curiosity and a drive to explore new ideas. She spent a decade at leading commercial galleries—first at Gagosian, then at Pace, where she was Director of Exhibitions in London. She went on to lead the Villa Lena Foundation in Italy as Director, before joining the founding team of ROKBOX, a pioneering environmentally focused art logistics startup, as Sales Director. After relocating to Paris six years ago, Katy developed a strong interest in the intersection of art and luxury. To deepen this focus, she recently completed an Executive Master’s in Luxury Management and Design Innovation, a joint program between ESSEC Business School and Parsons School of Design. She now works as a consultant to brands, artists, foundations, and collectors. Among her clients is the legendary art publisher Cahiers d’Art, where she heads Commercial Partnerships.

Compelling is proudly in partnership with Cahiers d’Art.

Compelling is produced in collaboration with Cahiers d’Art, the iconic Paris-based art publisher founded in 1926, home of the Catalogue Raisonné of Picasso and most recently the Frank Gehry Drawings Catalogue Raisonné. At the heart of it's publishing program is the Cahiers d'Art Revue, one of the most significant and longest-standing annual art publications of the last century. This year, Cahiers d’Art will celebrate its 100th anniversary with a series of major publications, projects and exhibitions in collaboration with leading global institutions, including the Peggy Guggenheim Collection in Venice, the MoMA in New York City and the Musée Picasso in Paris.

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Art direction by Eddie Harrop Studio
Website and Production by Story Ninety-Four