From protesters, to friends, to writing group, to...podcasters? Things got outta hand, y'all! This short reflection episode serves as our attempt to wrap our arms around why we ventured into realms unknown in the first place. Finding a throughline to the very real and very SLOW struggle of hard change as humans is no easy task, but each of us felt honored hearing from 8 extraordinary folks who learned a thing or two from the school of Hard Knocks and were generous enough to share with the world. What we know for sure as we wrap up and move on to what's next in life - none of us are going alone.

A gigantic THANK YOU to the guests we spoke with, and to the listeners who have shared what it meant to them!

Please download any episodes that you would like to keep long-term, as they will only be available on Podcast platforms thru the end of September 2025.

Signing off, your fellow changlings,

Leslie, Shai and Erin

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The theme of “hard change” is no stranger to today’s guest, Charlie. Born Irish-Catholic outside Boston, Massachusetts, he will share with us about battling addiction, coming out of the closet, losing housing, refusing to give up on dreams, and finding out the value of chosen family.

While Charlie bravely recounts deeply personal struggles, he reminds us of how all-too-common they are, and gives insight into what we can do to reach out to each other during these crucial turning points.

A licensed clinical social worker and trauma-informed counselor, Charlie works every day to fight for those that our society chooses to ignore. Erin and Charlie have been friends and chosen family for just over a decade, and she couldn’t be prouder of his hard-won change.

Music by The Rough and Tumble, find more at: https://www.theroughandtumble.com/

Write to us at: changeishardyall@gmail.com

While there is nothing linear or straightforward about the work of healing from religious trauma, our guest today bravely walks us through some key things that made it possible for her to begin. Donna and our co-host Erin met over 20 years ago as students at the same ultra-conservative, evangelical Christian university. Donna's path after graduation included teaching English in China, learning Kung Fu martial arts, marrying "outside the church", and breaking free from conservative evangelicalism.

Donna walks us through some of the fallout that often happens with family when someone leaves the Christian church, and the cost when you dare to shine a light on the patriarchal power structures that enable male domination and abuse. She also gives insight into the things that enabled her "hard change" in life - the gift of reading; the influence of one dynamic professor; the patience of a loving partner.

A writer, mother, and all around bad-ass woman, we are honored to speak with Donna today about her story!

Music by The Rough and Tumble, find more at: https://www.theroughandtumble.com/

Write to us at: changeishardyall@gmail.com