Today's guest is someone who followed a deep soul level pole toward one sacred plant cacao. We're honored to be joined by Jonas Wonka, founder of Ora Cacao, whose journey with cacao began not as a business idea, but as a relationship. In this conversation, Jonas shares how cacao found him, what it means to work with this plant as a teacher rather than a commodity, and how ceremonial cacao can support emotional healing, presence, and heart connection in our modern, overstimulated world.

We explore cacao through both spiritual and Ayurvedic lenses, including cacao versus coffee, doshic considerations, and how to work with cacao in a way that builds Ojas, rather than depletes it. This episode is an invitation to return to ritual and tension and relationship with plants, with ourselves and with the heart.

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