Heather Cronk was a fervent evangelical from ages 13 to 23, until seminary at Wake Forest Divinity School dismantled her theology and left her agnostic. Twenty-plus years later, she started Project 2112 to connect roughly 15 million exvangelicals in the U.S. and organize them against Christian nationalism. In this episode of Cabernet & Pray, Heather and Jeremy talk about the guilt and shame that keep so many people stuck after deconstruction, what it takes to rebuild trust in other people and in yourself, and why she says the only effective organizing happens in community. You’ll hear how she holds space for a community split almost evenly between people who still call themselves Christian and people who never will.

Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/HxqNhBpunEQ

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Join us Monday, November 2nd for our next AZ tasting event in Gilbert. We'll have a guided wine flight of four pours and talk about why changing your theology often means changing your community. Save your seat: https://communionwineco.com/events/az-tasting-event/

You can get a signed copy of my latest book, The Edge of the Inside, or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/

Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community

Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in

Links:

• https://www.instagram.com/project.21.12
• https://www.tiktok.com/@project.2112

Amy Hawk spent 25 years inside the evangelical bubble before 2016 brought it down around her. She taught Bible, served as an elder, voted for John McCain and Mitt Romney, then left the church that was her entire life, lost her two best friends, and says she is closer to Jesus today than she was then. Her book, The Judas Effect, argues that a church chasing political power betrays the character of Christ. We talk about what speaking up costs, how she holds onto Jesus without a church building, and why she thinks conversations like this one may be closer to what church was meant to be all along. Listen in as I ask her whether this book is about saving the church or surviving it.

Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/x6ZvO2wfBzc

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Listen to my new short story audiobook called Loving God More. It's about a 15yo boy who tells his Christians parents he's gay. Neither of them knows how to handle it when an anonymous letter arrives with only one word. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/blog/loving-god-more

You can get a signed copy of my latest book, The Edge of the Inside, or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/

Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community

Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in

Episode links:

• The Judas Effect: https://link.amazon/B09aHCmZn
• https://www.instagram.com/amyhawk_author/
• https://www.facebook.com/amyhawkministries
• https://www.youtube.com/@amyhawk9

The word Trinity appears nowhere in your Bible, and the one verse that claims to state the doctrine in plain words is missing from every early Greek manuscript. So where did the doctrine come from? The path runs through an emperor who had a political problem to solve, two church councils more than fifty years apart, and a lineup of explanations the church eventually declared heresy. You may still be using a few of them. Along the way we find out what the first Christians were guarding for three centuries, and I share a bold new question about the Trinity that I just started asking.

Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/IhaFY8XFAWs

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Listen to my new short story audiobook called Loving God More. It's about a 15yo boy who tells his Christians parents he's gay. Neither of them knows how to handle it when an anonymous letter arrives with only one word. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/blog/loving-god-more

You can get a signed copy of my latest book, The Edge of the Inside, or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/

Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community

Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in