Cory Nichols knows something most leaders miss: the debt stacking up in your organization isn't just financial. As a financial advisor turned entrepreneur, Cory breaks down how avoidance — whether in finances or leadership — creates compounding problems that become harder to solve over time.

In this conversation, Cory introduces the concept of "leadership debt" and shares his philosophy on getting people to take action through moments of realization rather than force. He unpacks the critical difference between wringing the sponge (extracting short-term results at the cost of people) versus creating a warm, dry environment where productivity happens naturally.

From his firing at a small company to launching his own practice, Cory reveals what he learned about values-driven leadership, the dangers of metrics-only management, and why remembering your team members' kids' names matters more than utilization rates. He also discusses Cash Camp, his financial literacy program teaching kids foundational money skills that most adults still haven't mastered.

Resources We Mentioned:

• Die with Zero (book)
• Shoe Dog by Phil Knight (book)
• Cash Camp Financial Literacy Program

Connect with Cory Nichols

• Instagram: @cory__nichols
• Cash Camp Kids: Available via Cory's Instagram or CashCampKids.com

Key Moments:

• 00:00:22 - Leadership debt vs. financial debt: how avoidance compounds problems
• 00:03:45 - Creating moments of realization instead of forcing change
• 00:05:30 - The vital signs approach: tracking income, expenses, and savings rate
• 00:08:30 - The sponge analogy: wringing profits vs. sustainable growth
• 00:12:15 - Boeing's "finds a way" value and its unintended consequences
• 00:15:40 - Human-first leadership: values that prioritize people over metrics
• 00:18:40 - Taking 60 employees to birthday lunches across Virginia
• 00:24:50 - Getting fired and the myth of six-figure satisfaction
• 00:31:20 - Roller coaster investing: managing risk so people don't jump off
• 00:38:15 - Cash Camp: teaching kids financial skills vs. giving handouts
• 00:42:30 - Financial anxiety affects everyone, regardless of wealth level
• 00:46:10 - Vital signs approach: tracking your financial health quarterly
• 00:48:35 - The 1% annual increase strategy for retirement savings
• 00:51:20 - Advice to younger self: it's gonna get messy, and that's okay