Oh it's been a minute but you'll be glad you listened to this episode. Yes there are podcast updates, yes there's a cool new eZine/book you have to get: The Biting All The Apples Holiday (and any day) Book of 19th Century Inspired Home Amusements & Creative Endeavors here's the direct link if it's not showing up: https://payhip.com/b/75vhY

The holiday joy doesn't stop there. We've got a short hype message for all of your holiday emotional and physical labor AND you'll find out that puritans really hated Christmas and Stanton wrote a revisionist history Christmas fantasy story for kids.

We share holiday chaos, gratitude for invisible labor, and a warm update on what’s next. Stanton’s risky Women’s Bible, the suffrage split, and her fanciful Mayflower Christmas story spark a look at why mythmaking comforts and what truth demands.

• peak lady labor and real appreciation
• launch of our 49‑page Victorian amusements zine
• why wordplay and in‑person games matter
• teaser for the Blackwell family special
• Kathy Kern’s insights on Stanton’s reputational cost
• family edits that tried to repair Stanton’s legacy
• debunking “Christmas on the Mayflower” with primary sources
• Puritan opposition to Christmas
• nostalgia, comfort myths, and honest memory
• our 2026 motto

Here's more information about the reality of the early settlers: https://voyagingthroughhistory.exeter.ac.uk/2020/12/18/christmas-on-the-mayflower/

We used a batch of shared music for this episode and we're grateful to these artists:

JOY TO THE WORLD
Joy To The World by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
Artist: http://audionautix.com/

Wish You A merry Christmas
We Wish You a Merry Christmas by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
Artist: http://www.twinmusicom.org/

Away In A Manger by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
Artist: http://audionautix.com/

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Recorded at Troubadour Studios in Lansing, MI

Audio Engineer Corey DeRushia

Edited by Rie Daisies at Nighttime Girlfriend Studio

Music: ‘Shifting pt. 2 (instrumental)’ by Rie Daisies

Executive Producer Kathleen ML Rogers

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A suffrage convention, a censored book, and a friendship that held the line—this is the 1896 showdown few of us were ever taught. We open the appendix to The Woman’s Bible and step into the room where NAWSA leaders tried to distance the movement from Elizabeth Cady Stanton’s fiercest work. The resolution’s catty phrasing calling it the “so-called Woman’s Bible” was more than shade; it was strategy, signaling a turn toward (so-called) respectability and away from the root critique that Stanton believed blocked every legal gain: scripture used to justify women’s subordination.

We trace the fault lines through names, speeches, and a near-split vote. Charlotte Perkins Stetson offers a surgical amendment to keep the association non-sectarian without shaming dissent. Then Susan B. Anthony rises with a spine-of-steel defense of Stanton, warning that censorship narrows coalitions and that progress cannot survive if questioning sacred authority is off-limits. Her words could be used to-day: you can’t promise freedom with a gag order, and you can’t build a durable movement by appeasing fear.

Along the way, we explore why the Bible became the battleground, how the vote re-centered the suffrage movement, and what that decision cost subsequent generations. We connect the dots to today where Christian nationalism, selective literalism, and rights rollbacks test whether advocates will name the story that shapes the law. We marvel at the lives of victorian women whose lives spanned art, sociology, organizing, and risk. And we end with a poem that captures the ethos: be the rock that sets the boundary, not the tide that flatters and recedes.

If this shook your assumptions or filled a missing chapter in your mental timeline, share it with a friend, subscribe for the next deep dive, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway or maybe some of your own feminist history knowledge. We read every word.

LINKS!

The Woman's Bible Repudiated: https://sacred-texts.com/wmn/wb/wb75.htm

More about Charlotte Perkins: https://aeon.co/ideas/all-woman-the-utopian-feminism-of-charlotte-perkins-gilman

Video Bio: https://youtu.be/Cjw3-lM1Tyg?si=XuejpLTXjWVs_4-b

Her letter with her lovah: https://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/CreativeNonfiction/spring00/rabinowitz.html

This episode recorded at Bob's Basement Studio. Produced and edited by Sara Kaye Larson.

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Music: ‘Shifting pt. 2 (instrumental)’ by Rie Daisies

Executive Producer Kathleen ML Rogers

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A late October check in bonus episode with a spooky theme. Well, that is if you thinking chit chatting with the dead is spooky. Lots of Victorian people thought it wasn't spooky but important. Serious. There was a huge surge of interest in spiritualism in the 19th century. We thought maybe we should see if any of our Victorian feminists that we've been reading were also into the occult. It has opened up a can of worms.

Won't you join us?

Discussed in this episode:

Ms Magazine - excerpt of WAKING THE WITCH: Reflections on Women, Magic and Power by Pam Grossman
https://msmagazine.com/2019/10/29/waking-the-witch-the-feminist-history-of-spiritualism/

The Burned Over District
https://nyheritage.org/exhibits/two-hundred-years-erie-canal/burned-over-district

Religion and Reform in the "Burned Over District"
https://youtu.be/fKxEOmAZCd8?si=2KMMGF_Y8p6baMHV

The rise and fall of Harmonia, a Spiritualist utopia and home to Sojourner Truth https://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/life/2019/01/16/rise-and-fall-harmonia-battle-creeks-spiritualist-utopia/2214809002/

Victoria Woodhull, the Original ‘Nasty Woman’
https://www.villagepreservation.org/2018/04/02/victoria-woodhull-the-original-nasty-woman/

Lilydale Spiritualist Community
https://www.lilydaleassembly.org/community

Anne Braude https://www.hds.harvard.edu/people/ann-d-braude

The First Woman to Run For President Was a Spiritualist, Wall Street Broker, and Free-Love Advocate https://www.mentalfloss.com/history/first-woman-run-president-was-clairvoyant-free-love-advocate

This episode recorded remotely at Bob's Basement Studio

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Executive Producer Kathleen ML Rogers

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