From Instagram likes and suspicious DMs to dating disasters and the fine line between setting boundaries and being controlling, Lisa and Betsy unpack what it actually looks like to navigate relationships in the age of social media.

Things get especially interesting when Lisa shares a recent dating experience involving a man, a plane ticket, and some VERY questionable behavior. Let's just say refundable credit card points have never caused this much drama.

But underneath the laughs, there's a real conversation about communication, rejection, emotional maturity, accountability, and why being honest about what you want shouldn't be so damn complicated.

It's funny, candid, a little chaotic, and exactly the kind of conversation you'd expect from these two.

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I brought one of my best friends, Dr. Betsy Saltzman, on Basecoat because sometimes you need an actual psychologist to confirm that the internet has, in fact, made us all a little insane.

We get into social media, dating, self-esteem, Instagram vs. reality, dopamine hits, Snap scores, location sharing, why nobody approaches anyone in public anymore, and the absolute psychological warfare of watching someone post on Instagram when they haven’t texted you back.

We also discuss my newest dating boundary:

If we’re boyfriend/girlfriend, in love and doing this for real… I’m gonna need the hard post. 😂

Because apparently this is where we are as a society.

Betsy brings the brains. I bring several questionable personal examples.

Episode 3 of Basecoat is out now. 💅

Meg is back, and apparently this episode is what happens when two women sit down to talk about hair and somehow end up discussing Area 51, dating, marriage, baby names, long nails, Dolly Parton, politics, Columbus, and whether or not we should become ex-wives someday.

Normal Base Coat shit.

But underneath all of the chaos, we actually get into some real stuff.

Meg and I talk about what it means to be insanely loyal in a dating world that sometimes feels allergic to commitment, knowing exactly who you are without feeling like you need to soften yourself for somebody else, and why finding the right person is less about changing yourself and more about finding someone who actually gets it.

We also get into her career, why she continues to choose Columbus even when people constantly ask why she’s still here, and the life her clients and this city have allowed her to build. Because apparently you can travel the world, do cool shit, build an incredible career AND still come home to Ohio. Who knew.

Then somehow we get very emotional about proposals. Meg talks about what it felt like to be the person getting down on one knee and realizing that before you ever ask someone else to say yes, you’ve already said yes yourself. Which honestly stopped me in my tracks a little bit.

There’s also talk of future children, engagement rings, surprise weddings, my daughter Coco, questionable Halloween opinions, hypothetical three-legged dogs and an upcoming project Meg refuses to tell us enough about.

So basically: we cover absolutely nothing and everything at the same time.

Welcome back to Base Coat.