First, the Asians pursue oneness: one heads to Asia; the other turns to quintessentially Asian pastimes. Ducks may or may not be involved. Then they turn to the thing Asians are said to seek even more fervently than real estate: money. Is money the opposite of failure, or a well-funded route towards it?

They unpack the easy associations between Asians and money, along with the assumptions about money that can shape the stories Asians tell about themselves.

They ask the uncomfortable (though not unreasonable) question on whether Asians need to express love in any other way if it is expressed with a dollar sign, before moving onto the more uncomfortable question: has money become synonymous to one's interior life, whether one is Asian or not?

This then opens the door to exploring the inner substance (if any) of money itself. Does money have a spiritual language, and can it even hide a promise of salvation?More uncomfortably still, if money DOES have a spiritual language, has it also become the mother tongue of Christians?

From “cold hard cash” to exam results and prayer lives, the Asians follow money’s historical, political, philosophical and theological baggage into some rather personal territory.Ultimately, they are explore whether the size of your emergency fund is also saying something about the state of your beliefs, and whether your belief rests on something solid or on shifting sands.

Resources

Philip Goodchild: Why Study Money & Theology

Matt and Dan contemplate the great Asian inheritance: failure. The failure to live up to expectations, the failure to make your parents proud, the failure to become the person your aunties have already told everyone you are. And, of course, the failure to be a good Christian, which is particularly embarrassing when you have a theology degree.

Provoked by another podcast’s insightful investigations into the subject, our intrepid hosts venture into the cultural, existential and spiritual dimensions of failure. Along the way, they encounter the contemporary performance society, that relentless machinery of optimisation, productivity and self-improvement that has somehow found its way into the Church.

Here, faithfulness is quietly demoted in favour of success, pastors become CEOs, spiritual disciplines become KPIs, and even grace starts to feel like something you ought to be getting better at.

The result? Burnout, spiritual exhaustion, and the creeping suspicion that God might be disappointed in your quarterly results.

But what if failure is not simply an obstacle to overcome, a lesson to learn, or a testimony to repackage into an inspirational conference talk? What if failure is where our illusions of competence finally collapse, and we begin to discover what God actually asks of us? From the biblical history of spectacularly unsuccessful people to the strange, scandalous logic of the Cross, Matt and Dan consider how failure might be woven into the very fabric of salvation history, both collectively and individually.

Perhaps the Christian life is not an endless ascent towards spiritual excellence but a slow, humiliating, occasionally hilarious discovery that God’s faithfulness does not depend on our ability to keep the curry hot.

And when the curry runs dry, there may yet be grace enough for a second helping.

Resources

The Pilgrim Soul: Failure

Jack Maden: Byung-Chul Han's Burnout Society

The Asians emerge from their pause, presumably from somewhere between the kitchen and the metaphysical realm, to talk about food. Except, as usual, the food is not really about food.

Matt and Dan return to a question that has been left simmering for some time: what place do persons have in the economy of salvation? If salvation is a highway to heaven, are persons merely passengers - or are they somehow part of the road itself? And if persons matter, what happens to the dumplings?

The conversation winds through some old assumptions about what Christianity is for, what salvation is supposed to accomplish, and why we have such a strange habit of talking about God as though the divine economy were an Excel spreadsheet.

At the centre of it all is the person: our person, other persons, and, most awkwardly, the person of God. What we think a person is turns out to have rather large consequences for what we think salvation is.

So the Asians do what Asians do: peel the onion, open another drawer, and discover several more layers of personhood - rest, reception, and relation. Somewhere along the way, the question of whether heaven cares about catering becomes surprisingly difficult to avoid.