From Joel MacMull: The French competition authority last week said the tech giant, Google, failed to negotiate fair licensing deals with media outlets and did not tell them it was using their articles to train its chatbot. And as a consequence, it fined Google about 270 million US dollars. The fine was in Euros, but that's roughly what we're dealing with in terms of a conversion rate.

So it's not nothing, but also for one of the largest tech companies in the world, it's, it's, you know, certainly not going to make a material difference to their bottom line. But it outlines, I think, some interesting issues, particularly when we contrast that to what's going on now in the United States and some of the litigation we're seeing against OpenAI.

From Mark Miller:  The real issue here that I read in the French decision is that, I'll put it in American terms, Google is not negotiating in good faith.

The part of the negotiations are who do you negotiate with and who pays who when things are settled. And I think that's Google's case that they're coming back with to say, you haven't defined the rules of the game or else they keep switching, so we don't even know who we're dealing with anymore.

In today’s episode, we talk about how Air Canada tried to defend itself in court by contending that the chatbot on its company site is its own entity and is separate from Air Canada. A lot of the “fun” in this case is the absurdity of the defense. However, it’s a good case for thought experiments, thinking about the near term future of AI and who ultimately is responsible for its output.

While prepping for this call, I really did dig into the case here because of the absurdity of it in my mind. Joel, give us a brief overview of what the case is and who the complainants and defendants are.

From Joel MacMull, Lawyer

What makes this resonate, at least with me, is the fact that we have a very sympathetic plaintiff. A young man, buys an airline ticket, in connection with his deceased grandmother, he buys it from Vancouver to Toronto. Prior to buying the ticket, he, is on Air Canada's website and is having a conversation with its chatbot and asks about bereavement fare.

And the sum and substance of the message he receives is that within 90 days after his purchase, again, this is a conversation he's having with the chatbot, within 90 days after making his purchase, he can essentially claim bereavement. And the chatbot, in providing him with that textual response, actually has a hyperlink to another Air Canada webpage, which has additional terms about bereavement there.

It so happens that that additional hyperlink, however, is at odds with what the chatbot is saying, and that hyperlink says, in essence, that bereavement fare has to be, paid for or, otherwise, dealt with on the front end. You can't do it after the travel has occurred.

But, from the facts of the case, it doesn't look like this young man did that, instead just relying on the chatbot. Long story short, he travels to Toronto, within the 90 day window, he seeks his reimbursement, consistent with the information he received from the chatbot. And, from what I understand, he engages in some emails with Air Canada, and they say, Hey, you know what?

The statement that you received on the chatbot is erroneous. We'll flag that, we'll get that corrected, but from what I understand, refused to provide him, with, the discount of his bereavement fare, which, according to the opinion, was something to the tune of 600, was the difference between the full fare and the bereavement fare that he otherwise would have been entitled to.

In today's episode, we investigate a case featuring a deep fake of a George Carlin comedy routine. We're also adding a new host, the voice of AILAH, an AI engine who will be giving us real time responses to questions within the discussion.

Shannon and I were intrigued by some of the ideas AILAH came up with, which moved our thoughts in a direction different from where we originally intended. Adding eyelid to the mix turned in. Adding AILAH to the mix turned this into a very interesting discussion.

Mark: "AILAH, give us an overview of the case."

AILAH: In the George Carlin deep fake case, a video surfaced online purportedly showing the late comedian George Carlin delivering a monologue about the COVID-19 pandemic. However it was later discovered that the video was a deep fake, a digitally altered video created using artificial intelligence to manipulate Carlin's likeness onto another person's performance.

This incident highlighted concerns about the rise of deep fake technology and its potential to spread misinformation and deceive viewers. It also underscored the importance of verifying the authenticity of digital content and raising awareness about the risks associated with deep fakes in the digital age.