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What if the true measure of a church isn’t its size, but the lives it lifts? That question powers a candid, inspiring conversation with Reverend Dr. Charles B. Jackson, who began preaching at nine, became a pastor at eighteen, and has spent 54 years turning faith into tangible change. We go beyond biography to map a blueprint any community can adapt: scholarships for every college-bound student, a former school reborn as an empowerment center, youth sports tethered to tutoring, and a church-run credit union that treats capital as a tool for justice.

We talk about building real economic power—classes on creating generational wealth, a long-view plan for a Believers Millionaire Club by 2045, and why ownership is a moral responsibility. Dr. Jackson explains why his team reopened worship in the old neighborhood after three decades away, acknowledging that some neighbors felt uneasy in a mega-church setting. The result is proximity with purpose: health programs, homelessness services, jobs, and trust flowing back into the blocks that raised him.

The conversation also confronts the national moment with moral clarity. We name the “two Jesuses”—the Jesus of the Bible who centers “the least of these,” and the Americanized version used to sanctify power. Dr. Jackson calls the Black pulpit to recover its voice and outlines an old-school ground game that still wins elections: accountable lists, live phone calls, rides to the polls, and relentless follow-through. Hope here isn’t a slogan; it’s a practice, lived in budgets, schedules, and open doors.

If you care about faith that works, the Black church’s role in civic life, or practical paths to community wealth, this conversation is a handbook. Listen, share it with someone who leads, and tell us: what will you build this year? Subscribe for more stories that turn purpose into power, and leave a review to help others find the show.

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