In this episode of The Quantum Podcast, Christopher Smith and Joe Mattia sit down with Sara in WonderTech for a deeply curious conversation about AI, psychedelics, childhood development, self-awareness, cybernetics, and the ways the human mind learns, adapts, and transforms.

Sara brings insight from her background in machine learning, consciousness exploration, meditation, psychology, and Internal Family Systems (IFS), blending scientific thinking with personal experience in a way that feels both grounded and adventurous.

The discussion moves through how AI relates to human intelligence, how psychedelics can act as tools for introspection, and how meditation, confusion tolerance, and embodied awareness shape the way we learn. They explore childhood, trauma, identity, and consciousness, as well as cybernetics, feedback loops, and the idea of self-programming. The conversation also touches on what it means to "upgrade" the mind and how awareness influences creativity and intelligence.

This episode is a journey through technology, philosophy, psychology, and the strange edges of human potential.

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Sara in WonderTech
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Christopher Smith
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Chapters

00:00 — Introduction & Background
02:00 — AI → Crypto: Why Chris Made the Switch
04:00 — Early Bitcoin, Mt. Gox & the 2012 Origin Story
06:00 — Money, Fairness & "Fix the Money, Fix the World"
08:00 — Psychedelics, Mind Exploration & Early Influences
10:00 — Consciousness, Cybernetics & the Human Biocomputer
14:00 — Trauma, Parts Work & Internal Family Systems
18:00 — Meditation, Awareness & Body-Based Intelligence
22:00 — Confusion Tolerance & Learning Like a Child
26:00 — AI, Intelligence & the Limits of Generalization
30:00 — Creativity, Self-Reflection & Rewriting Inner Code

🎥 The Quantus Podcast — Network School Series (Sept 2025)
Network School brings together remote workers, digital nomads, creators, personal trainers, self-improvers, event organizers, and engineers — all collaborating to build themselves up while building the next generation of startup societies. Founded by Balaji Srinivasan — https://x.com/balajis

📍 Recorded Sept 2025 in the Quantus popup studio at Network School, Forest City.