In this episode, Roy asks Catherine who she is trying to prove herself to. Catherine says she wishes she knew. She describes a program of meditations where she traced back through her life and found people and ideals she was still trying to live up to, including her parents, her sister, her headmistress and some of her teachers. She explains that even when she knows consciously that she has nothing to prove, the programming is still there. The best she can do is notice it, give herself some slack, shake it off and move on. Roy says he holds himself accountable more than anyone else. He talks about being a good son to his mother, making sure she knows he is okay and can be proud of him, and about proving himself as a father by acting rather than talking, wanting his kids to be more successful and happier than he is. They finish by asking listeners whether they are proving themselves to others, or just chugging through life.

Timestamps 0:03 — Welcome & today’s question: who are you trying to prove yourself to? 0:19 — Catherine: the people and ideals she is still living up to, and letting them go 2:14 — Roy: being a good son and a good father 3:40 — Closing thoughts and sign-off

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