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2Humans is a weekly podcast for people who want to understand the forces shaping our world.

Topics we cover include frontier AI and the model wars, venture capital and startup strategy, financial markets and economics, the global energy transition, and the geopolitical forces that connect them all.

Ross and Fede met as PhD students at UCL, both building startups while conducting research at the intersection of technology and entrepreneurship. They quickly discovered something useful: they agreed on almost everything that matters in the world, and almost nothing about how to think about it. A Jungian personality test confirmed what was already obvious: they sit on complete opposite ends of the spectrum. Rather than let that be a problem, they made it into a podcast!

2026 2Humans Podcast
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  • The Invisible Barrier Between Human Consciousness and AI. And How We Might Break It [Part 2]
    Apr 21 2026

    Are AI consciousness and human rights compatible—or even possible?

    In this episode, we dive into the profound philosophical and practical questions surrounding AI's potential to be truly conscious, debating whether human-like self-awareness is necessary or even meaningful in machines. We explore everything from the importance of embodiment and agency to the evolution of morality, considering if AI might eventually demand rights and recognition akin to living beings—and what that means for society at large.

    In this episode:

    • The fundamental uncertainty of what consciousness really is, and whether AI can ever truly possess it (00:00)
    • The importance of embodiment, agency, and self-perception in defining consciousness for machines (01:12)
    • Are emotions and instincts a necessary component of consciousness, or mere biological by-products? (05:20)
    • The potential for AI to evolve self-referential awareness through iterative self-improvement (07:00)
    • How natural selection and propagation could lead to machine consciousness beyond human definitions (12:35)
    • The philosophical debate over the “sense of self” and whether it’s an illusion or a real phenomenon (14:00)
    • Ethical implications: should we grant rights to AI or robots that possess or might develop consciousness? (18:23)
    • The future societal and legal challenges of AI with perceived consciousness, including ownership, rights, and moral treatment (23:04)
    • The possibility of AI bodies embodying sentience and what that would mean for human-AI relationships (24:23)

    Note: As AI continues to evolve, understanding consciousness isn't just a philosophical exploration—it's a societal necessity. Whether AI can develop a form of self-awareness or simply mimics it, the moral, legal, and strategic implications for the future are profound. Stay tuned as this conversation evolves and becomes increasingly relevant for ambitious professionals shaping the future of AI and technology.

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    29 min
  • The Invisible Barrier Between Human Consciousness and AI. And How We Might Break It [Part1]
    Apr 18 2026

    Main Topics Covered with Timestamps:

    • (0:00) - Defining consciousness: What makes us aware?
    • (1:09) - Why philosophical debates struggle with defining consciousness
    • (1:43) - The role of phenomenology and inner experience in consciousness
    • (2:18) - Measurement challenges: Can AI ever be truly conscious?
    • (3:08) - AI's emulation skills, ChatGPT, and mimicking consciousness
    • (4:20) - The Chinese Room thought experiment and understanding vs. symbol manipulation
    • (6:31) - Neural processes: AI vs. human brains, and if understanding equates to intelligence
    • (7:54) - Can AI develop true mental images or is it just relational pattern matching?
    • (8:58) - The importance of phenomenology—experience of consciousness in humans
    • (10:54) - The stochastic parrot: Is repetition just parroting or evidence of some understanding?
    • (12:48) - Creativity as combinatorial intelligence and limitations in AI
    • (13:46) - Functionalism and the Turing Test: Appearance vs. reality
    • (15:31) - AI seeking answers in latent space: Is this enough for consciousness?
    • (17:42) - Embodiment and sensory perception as the basis for true consciousness
    • (21:19) - Is self-perception necessary for consciousness?
    • (22:25) - Can AI ever be truly conscious or is it fundamentally impossible?
    • (23:44) - The three positions: skeptic, agnostic, and the welfare camp
    • (24:57) - Ethical implications: Should we grant AI rights if it becomes conscious?
    • (31:23) - The moral and philosophical weight of AI: When does it matter?

    • • (32:47) - Expanding consciousness beyond anthropocentric views—could AI or alien life have different defining features?

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    33 min
  • What happens when Academia is overtaken by AI?
    Apr 13 2026

    Will AI Replace Researchers or Transform Them?

    This episode cuts through the hype, exploring whether AI is a threat to academic experts or a tool that will redefine the role of research itself. Ross and Fede, both PhD researchers, debate whether future scientists will be skilled problem solvers or just AI operators, and how academia must balance harnessing AI’s productivity with preserving essential human skills.

    In this episode:

    • The current impact of AI on PhD research, from literature reviews to coding (timestamps 0:41, 1:42)
    • The risk of cognitive offloading and losing foundational skills such as methodology and troubleshooting (timestamps 2:53, 4:47)
    • How AI’s biases and training data could influence scientific objectivity and integrity (timestamps 7:06, 22:17)
    • The divergence between academia and industry: hands-on problem solving vs. AI management (timestamps 8:43, 9:35)
    • The future of scientific expertise: Will AI make researchers obsolete or merely shift their focus? (timestamps 14:22, 22:03, 33:40)
    • The challenge of maintaining objectivity and combating biases in AI-generated research outputs (timestamps 26:36, 29:19)
    • The societal implications: replicating global knowledge equity and the role of academia as a verifier of truth (timestamps 35:40, 36:15)
    • Practical insights into how AI is boosting productivity—freeing researchers from mundane tasks to focus on meaningful innovation (timestamps 36:50, 37:35)

    Key moments of disagreement:

    • The balance between utilising AI for maximum impact versus developing foundational skills (discussed at 5:14 and 11:07)
    • Whether AI’s inability to provide objective, universal truths makes it unsuitable for certain research fields (around 31:36)

    • The potential obsolescence of expert researchers versus AI’s role as an enabler for democratised knowledge and productivity (around 23:44 and 33:40)



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    40 min
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