Tony Kornheiser. Mike Wilbon. And the kid they called Stat Boy. Back together, with a few things to clear up.

Before Pardon the Interruption, there was press row. Typewriters. Deadlines. A Washington Post newsroom full of extraordinary writers who could argue about anything and make each other laugh doing it. Kornheiser and Wilbon spent years in that world before anyone put a television camera in front of them. I wanted to know how their friendship began. They wanted me to stop trying to turn it into a screenplay.

As PTI turns 25, I’m back with two people who helped shape my life, revisiting the stories they’ve been telling for as long as I’ve known them. We go back to the 1988 Olympics, a knockout Wilbon saw coming and Kornheiser didn’t, and the Marvin Gaye national anthem that Tony decided was more important than the All-Star Game itself. There’s also the night Mike slipped away from his own engagement party to shoot a television pilot. Tony was supposed to help cover for him. You can imagine how that went.

Then there’s PTI: why Tony thought it would be off the air in three weeks, why they let a 22-year-old correct them on television, and what they make of the sports debate industry today. Through all of it, they keep coming back to the work, the newsroom and the people who made them better. After 25 years on television, they still describe themselves the same way: newspaper sportswriters.

They also reveal that they rarely go more than two days without calling each other. Usually because they’re watching the same game and have something to say. Naturally, I have one more question: If PTI ended tomorrow, would you two actually see each other?

Welcome to Episode 022 of REAL DEAL! I’m Tony Reali, and I’m so happy you’re here.

03:50 Before PTI, there was the newsroom

05:01 REAL DEAL, Stat Boy and the nickname dispute

06:21 Kornheiser and Wilbon’s old photos

08:40 The 1988 Olympics and the knockout Wilbon saw coming

10:48 The Great Wall, a flight home and a face in the soup

13:46 Simply Irresistible: Their Washington Post bylines

15:10 Is PTI an old married couple?

16:37 How did Kornheiser and Wilbon actually become friends?

19:37 The Washington Post newsroom that shaped them

22:55 Do they hang out? Have they ever really fought?

26:48 Sharing the spotlight and welcoming Stat Boy

27:43 Why PTI let a 22-year-old correct its hosts

31:05 Marvin Gaye’s anthem and Kornheiser’s column

32:54 Why Kornheiser thought PTI wouldn’t last

35:27 Wilbon left his engagement party to shoot a TV pilot

37:14 “We are newspaper sportswriters”

38:48 Kornheiser’s clock and Wilbon’s arrival time

40:06 The phone calls that never stopped

41:23 Darko, LeBron and getting predictions wrong

43:12 PTI, hot takes and the state of sports debate

46:14 Fatherhood, grandfatherhood and who’s gotten angrier

48:11 “It’s not my world”: Getting older as everything changes

49:47 If PTI ended tomorrow, would they still see each other?

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