In this episode, Ron and Shaun sit down with Frank McKenna—the former New Brunswick premier, ambassador, and master relationship-builder. Frank shares how a few points scribbled on a napkin helped Ron find his confidence, why he thinks of connections as “traplines,” and how a shared love of baseball—and a remarkable family connection—helped turn tense moments in Washington into lasting relationships.

From the Meech Lake Accord and lessons in leadership to Canada’s search for swagger, Frank reflects on the choices he’d make differently, the advice he’d give young people, and why he believes it’s time to tear down interprovincial trade barriers. A conversation about friendship, boldness, and what it takes to build a stronger Canada.

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CHAPTERS

00:00 — The Lawyer Joke
00:21 — Frank McKenna Joins the Show
00:58 — Ron’s Frank McKenna Story
03:44 — Loud, Bold, and Humble
04:07 — Atlantic Canada Needs Its Swagger
07:30 — Frank’s “Traplines” for Building Relationships
10:15 — Family Values and Diplomacy
15:10 — Finding Common Ground in Washington
19:23 — Being Helpful—and Knowing Your Limits
23:06 — Risk, Mark Carney, and Changing Your Mind
25:39 — The Decision to Run for Premier
28:00 — Frank’s Meech Lake Regret
29:47 — Canada’s Moment of Pride
36:07 — Politics and the Noise of Social Media
38:49 — Frank’s Advice to Young People
42:18 — Tear Down Interprovincial Trade Barriers
44:36 — Get Involved and Build a Stronger Canada